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About them doggone drones.

CatsEye said:
Sorry, didn't see the question about McVeigh? No we didn't murder him. Seems he had a trial.
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Well, alrighty, then. How about Jimmy Lee Dykes? Seems he was killed by the state of Alabama on Monday. With no trial. No formal criminal charges. No due process. Nothing of the sort. An OUTRAGEOUS miscarriage of justice, no?

[We could apprehend McVeigh. We could not apprehend Awlaki. Try to focus on that difference.]
 
middleview said:
On the other hand, what we could do is never ever fire a bullet, drop a bomb or fire a missile unless we are absolutely certain that there are no innocent civilians present. We could even drop leaflets or broadcast a warning, prior to any attempt to kill the enemy. Hmmm, wouldn't that encourage the enemy to hang out with lots of children and innocent civilians around?
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Hey, let's give it a try. It might just work.

Or we could continue to do what we are doing for another decade or so until.................
 
Arkady said:
Thanks for the invitation. I just did... yet again. Still no mention of it being a war. Maybe if I keep checking.

They authorized the president to use force against those he determines were behind 9/11, and those who harbored those who were. It was a terrible resolution, but what it wasn't was a declaration of war.
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We haven't had a formal declaration of war since World War II. Apparently, I am having to give you a history lesson again. So, by your standards, the Korean War was illegal. The Vietnam War was illegal. Our invasion of Panama to arrest a drug dealer was illegal. Ronnie RayGun's little invasion of tiny Grenada was illegal. Do I have all that right?
 
Arkady said:
Yes, but fortunately nobody is yet arguing that the "war on crime" gives Obama the unilateral authority to have suspected criminals summarily executed. But, I'm sure if Obama were to claim that authority, there'd be some eager to defend that interpretation.
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The President need not be involved. There are plenty of police officers to do the dirty work -- and it appears that most high-minded commentators on PJ really don't care so much about that. Most Americans who are wrongly killed by police are just poor folks anyway.
 
Arkady said:
Thanks for the invitation. I just did... yet again. Still no mention of it being a war. Maybe if I keep checking.

They authorized the president to use force against those he determines were behind 9/11, and those who harbored those who were. It was a terrible resolution, but what it wasn't was a declaration of war.
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It was a terrible resolution, you say. And yet only ONE member of both houses of Congress voted against it. Seems like your views are not exactly in the 'mainstream', are they? That is probably because most Americans realize that we are at war with Al Qaeda, and you do not.
 
NightSwimmer said:
The President need not be involved. There are plenty of police officers to do the dirty work -- and it appears that most high-minded commentators on PJ really don't care so much about that. Most Americans who are wrongly killed by police are just poor folks anyway.
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Really, it's remarkable. Police officers use lethal force VERY frequently, with no jury trial, no due process, no formal criminal charges....and yet Arkady is apoplectic about the fact that the United States, after months of intensive consultation with dozens and dozens of highly trained lawyers in the Justice Department, the State Department, and the Defense Department, decided that our only practical option in the case of Anwar Al-Awlaki, was to target him in a drone attack, simply because he was a leader of a group that is undeniably devoted to killing as many Americans and Westerners as they can. I tell you, it's shocking.
 
LeRoy_Was_Here said:
Well, alrighty, then. How about Jimmy Lee Dykes? Seems he was killed by the state of Alabama on Monday. With no trial. No formal criminal charges. No due process. Nothing of the sort. An OUTRAGEOUS miscarriage of justice, no?

[We could apprehend McVeigh. We could not apprehend Awlaki. Try to focus on that difference.]
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Was Awlaki shooting at us when we took him out?

However, I will concede you have a good point.... Have a nice evening.
 
LeRoy_Was_Here said:
Well, alrighty, then. How about Jimmy Lee Dykes? Seems he was killed by the state of Alabama on Monday. With no trial. No formal criminal charges. No due process. Nothing of the sort. An OUTRAGEOUS miscarriage of justice, no?

[We could apprehend McVeigh. We could not apprehend Awlaki. Try to focus on that difference.]
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Actually LeRoy, he was killed by the FBI.
 
Dino said:
So an American overseas is what... an enemy soldier or enemy leader?

That's the difference you chose to ignore.
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The Yemeni government began trying him in absentia in November 2010, for plotting to kill foreigners and being a member of al-Qaeda. A Yemeni judge ordered that he be captured "dead or alive".[26][27] U.S. officials alleged that in 2009, al-Aulaqi was promoted to the rank of "regional commander" within al-Qaeda.[28][29] He repeatedly called for jihad against the United States.[30][31]

For a guy who wasn't calling for war against the US, he certainly wasn't shy about calling for Jihad.....


He says jihadists who want to kill Americans don't need a fatwa (special religious permission).

"Don't consult with anybody in killing the Americans," says Awlaki, sitting at a desk with a dagger in his belt. "Fighting the devil doesn't require consultation or prayers seeking divine guidance. They are the party of the devils."


Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...ls-must-die/UPI-61991289245343/#ixzz2KGZkFrVa
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...s-American-devils-must-die/UPI-61991289245343
 
LeRoy_Was_Here said:
I think it is fairly obvious that Al Qaeda declared war on us, before we declared war on them. But maybe you have a different opinion.

The invasion of Iraq was a tragic mistake. In fact, it may well have been the most serious, world-class, geopolitical blunder the United States has ever made. I think we know who to blame for that.
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Well, your 9/11 pilots were Saudi and your bin Laden was Saudi and even though the Taliban had offered to hand your bin Laden over to Saudi, thus making an invasion of the country he was a guest of unnecessary, ..... but you declined

looks like Saudi might get its comeuppance after all, in spite of 'your' misdirected killing sprees


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/06/cia-using-saudi-base-drone-yemen
 
Zam-Zam said:
How many times have we been attacked by children? We've killed a lot of them with drones.
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Good reason for people who are the leadership of Al Qaeda or the Taliban to stay away from their families....They want a safe haven in Pakistan while they wage war against Kabul or Islamabad. If you research the names of any of the children killed you will find the name of the terrorist that happened to live in the house where the child was killed. You chould condemn them for using women and children as a shield.....
 
Arkady said:
What is the evidence for that?
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He was tried in absentia by a Yemeni court. The judge ordered him aprehended....dead or alive. Did the Yemeni court have jurisdiction? That judge came to that conclusion because of the evidence the Yemeni government presented about Awalaki's involvement in plots to kill people, both in Yemen and in other countries.

Is that enough?
 
Along with me, I suppose. I never said a discouraging word about Li'l George's use of drones either. If I were to've had a complaint, it probably would've been that he didn't use them enough, out of his preference for greater mayhem and destruction.
 
The Drone Attacks have been highly successful....They will continue.....No amount of babble about "terrorist" rights or legal mumbo jumbo will matter......So far only the extremes of the Right and Left have argued against them...Welcome to the Future of warfare in the 21st Century
 
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