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About them doggone drones.

You present fights are with local Tribal peoples who your Gov tells you are all The Monster ........Oh simplicity simplicity .............. Fairy stories to keep the children complicit.

Sure Queenie...that's all it is. We are all in on the scheme to steal rock salt from Pakistan.....When did Al Qaeda surrender or dissolve itself? By the way, have you read any of the attacks on ships off of Somalia or maybe the recent assault on an oil refinery in Algeria....maybe you heard the rumor about warfare in Afghanistan or the death of our ambassador in Benghazi....all fairy tales, I'm sure.
 
Azaz-ur-Rehman was killed because he was in the same building with Khalil Khan Dawar and at least five Al Qaeda fighters. Khalil Dawar was reported to be associated with the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan of Baitullah Mehsud. Soon after the attack at around 5.10pm, Taliban militants surrounded the area and stopped locals from coming near the destroyed compound. They retrieved the bodies of their comrades from the rubble and took them to an unspecified place.

Do I need to go through your list to find each Al Qaeda or Taliban member who was the target, who didn't give a shit about the danger he put his own family in?
 
Hey Queenie, clean your own house before spreading crap about ours. Great Britian has lots to answer for occupying Northern Ireland for the last century. How many innocents you folks killed in the name of the Queen?

It was not only the Irish who suffered under Cromwell nor the later injustices of the Governing Powers over its people, I know you suppose the ordinary peoples of any Empire do not suffer it's might every ordinary citizen of any Empire is to blame for all it's deeds.

But if you are talking of The Troubles. It was the Irish/Catholics/Republicans who asked for the Armies help when the Scots/Protestant/Loyalists were attacking them.

I had better repeat that, It was at the request of the Irish that the British Army went in ..................

I am not going through my experiences and those of all whom I have known, from Soldiers to Republicans and Loyalists from Belfast,

My daughter grew up with bomb scares every where we went, it was the norm.

It was the women of Belfast who put an end to The Troubles with the help of Mo Mowlam. Clinton just stopped the flow of US dollars to the IRA terrorists .at a price!
 
If we must go with the ridiculous Official Story of the Empire. I know that the purpose of War is to teach Americans geography but really you should have asked which turning it was to Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabian Pilots even bin Laden was Saudi Arabian ...everything screamed Saudi Arabia ...........but nope the USA declares War on absolutely everybody BUT Saudi Arabians.

I guess your particular news source doesn't tell you that Bin Laden was in Afghanistan, running training camps which were attended by the terrorists who struck the US on 911. It doesn't matter what their nationality is or was. What mattered was that the Taliban let Al Qaeda do business from the part of Afghanistan that they controlled. The Taliban could have avoided the invasion of Afghanistan by turning Bin Laden and Zawahiri over for trial. They wouldn't do that.
 
Dear God, must we say 'forgive them they know not what they do' ..we can't keep saying it because you have the truth under your noses ..............there are no more excuses.

We know exactly. The war started with the deaths of over 3,000 people whose crime was going to work on 911. I suppose you could make the case that the attack on the Pentagon was at least against our military, but why the World Trade Center? A lot of the people killed worked for Cantor Fitzgerald....people who bought and sold stocks and bonds. What had they done to harm Muslims anywhere? What had the employees of "Windows on the World"...the restaurant at the top of the tower, done to hurt them? Want to talk about dead children? How about the two sons of Carthew Yorsten? They were 7 and 9 and they died because they were having breakfast with their dad in Windows on the World on 911.

This isn't about revenge. Even after 911 they continued to plan attacks on other cities. London, Madrid, Bali.....That is the truth that you continue to ignore.
 
Not to mention the complete and utter extermination of the Tasmanians, history's most effective genocide. Perpetrated by Victorian British 'gentlemen'.

Oops. I said I wasn't going to mention it!


Why not ? Exactly LeRoy ......that is exactly what 'you' are doing.


And exactly what 'you' were doing then too
 
The fact is that there were WMDs in Iraq. The proof was the number of people killed by them. After the first gulf war we had UN inspectors who were doing a pretty good job of finding that material and destroying it. THere were a lot of questions and the lack of cooperation, ending with Saddam ordering the UN out in 1998, meant that the possibility existed that Saddam was still hiding WMD and that was part of the justification for the continued embargo and no-fly zones....You think they were lying....I don't think they were. It was the result of Saddam's own actions.
 
So were air attacks on German positions "Summary executions"?

If we are talking about someone who is making war on the US from France....would we use a predator? No. We'd rely on the local law enforcement officers to apprehend them. There would be court proceedings to extradite them and then they'd get the benefit of due process.

Do you actually think that the conditions you brought up were not considered by Obama and his security advisors? In what case was there a question about anyone who has been killed? Got a name? When could we have apprehended any of these people? Not in a war zone? Sorry, you must not know what is happening in Yemen. It is a war zone and large parts of that country are not under the control of the government. Certainly the areas in Pakistan being attacked are not under control of the government in Islamabad.

The rules are completely different when the targeted individual is in the United States. Even if the people involved were to say they are at war with the government.....
 
This thread was not intended to become a political football. Make it one if that is what turns you on. It's about our security vs their daring and about fighting on the terms they established in the beginning.

Gramps

good response, Gramps...

also, good post!
 
Of course you are correct. The CIA was so competent and ruthless in killing all those people to justify the invasion of Afghanistan, except that one little oops. How freaking stupid are you? Bill Clinton couldn't keep a blow job secret and only he and one other person knew. How many thousands of Americans, as well as the intel agencies around the world would have known.....and nobody is talking except for the wackjobs or those looking to make money from gullible, anti-us knucleheads like you....
 
Based on your accusations, we must be looking to run pipelines in some kind of massive grid through Afghanistan and Paksitan (Pakistan is where most of the drone strikes are).....
 
Oh, that's why they didn't find any -- because they "were there"? Perhaps maybe you should revisit the Kay investigation results. If you're referring to those used years and years prior to Bush Jr's war, Possibilities and suspicions do not a case for guilt make, as the Kay report showed.

There were no legal "justifications" for the "no-fly zones" under international law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_no-fly_zones The UN still had control under the relevant resolutions, not the US or its allies, who only had authorization to remove him from Kuwait, not to violate the sovereignty those "no-fly zones" were.

MY "thining" has always been that it was never about anything but regime change for the obvious reasons, and the same it always is for empire -- resources. I was also "thinking" based on my recollection of the Kay report, etc, that SH destroyed his stuff, not "the inspectors". Perhaps maybe you should revisit the issue.

Saddam Hussein intended to retain a strategic deterrent capability, not only to take care of Iran, but also to focus on Israel. What he didn’t count on was the tenacity of the inspectors. And very rapidly by June 1991 we had compelled him into acknowledging that he had a nuclear weapons program, and we pushed him so hard that by the summer of 1991, in the same way that a drug dealer who has police knocking at his door flushes drugs down a toilet to get rid of his stash so that he can tell the cops, "I don’t have any drugs," the Iraqis, not wanting to admit that they lied, flushed their stash down the toilet. They blew up all of their weapons and buried it in the desert, and then tried to maintain the fiction that they had told the truth.

And by 1992 they were compelled again because of the tenacity of inspectors to come clean. People say why didn’t Saddam Hussein admit being disarmed? In 1992 they submitted a declaration that said everything’s been destroyed, we have nothing left. In 1995 they turned over the totality of their document cache. Again, not willingly, it took years of inspections to pressure them. But the bottom line is by 1995 there were no more weapons in Iraq, there were no more documents in Iraq, there was no more production capability in Iraq, because we were monitoring the totality of Iraq’s industrial infrastructure with the most technologically advanced, the most intrusive arms control regime in the history of arms control.

And we knew that while we couldn’t account for everything that the Iraqis said they had destroyed, we could only account for ninety to ninety-five percent, we knew that: (a) we had no evidence of a retained capability and, (b) no evidence that Iraq was reconstituting. And furthermore, the C.I.A. knew this. The British intelligence knew this; Israeli intelligence knew this; German intelligence. The whole world knew this. They weren’t going to say that Iraq was disarmed, because nobody could say that. But they definitely knew that the Iraqi capability regarding W.M.D. had been reduced to as near to zero as you could bring it and that Iraq represented a threat to no one when it came to weapons of mass destruction.

http://www.democracynow.org/2005/10/21/seymour_hersh_and_scott_ritter_on

all of which the Kay report validated as I recall.

So yeah, my thinking was an remains, that it was all about regime change to get western hands on Iraqi oil from the start/end of Desert Storm, whether you wanna quibble about it merely to "secure" it as a "stabalizing measure" or outta greed or not. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2007/09/17/uk-greenspan-idUKN1728646120070917

ANd was the CIA just fooled or was Bush, etc "lying" http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0217-12.htm ANd one things for sure -- we wouldn't have invaded without the threat of the "mushroom cloud".

have a good one dude -- gotta scoot
 
What terrorists ? None of any danger to you. Maybe mini ones but even that is questionable ........

http://livingunderdrones.org/download-report/

I already showed you info on who the target was when the 14 year old was killed in January of 2009....yet you still are trying to say that our targets were children and not terrorists....or that the terrorists weren't all that bad...."mini ones". WTF does that mean? I get the guys who blew up the busses in London were "mini-ones" eh?
 
So no one is safe as far as you are concerned Oboma may kill anyone anywhere by Drone legally ?

Yup, that is why there have been drone attacks in every major city on the planet, right? How many have been killed in countries where there is a functioning government in control of it's entire territory? Yemen, hmmm....no. That is actually a war zone. How about the UK....hmmmm, no drone attacks. Well, how about North Korea? Certainly an "enemy" country....but no, no drone attacks. Somalia? Hmmm, functioning government? Nope.
Have there been any drone attacks in the US? Nope. How about Canada? Nyet. So clearly the attacks have happened in countries that are suffereing from sufficient chaos that a government cannot control the presence of Al Qaeda.....
 
They wasted a perfectly good drone on this 16 year old turd terrorist?

He gave up all rights when he went to fight with the terrorists, people get killed when they play war how hard is that.

One less rag head terrorist that will take innocent lives, good riddance, bury what's left with a slice of ham wrapped around it.

If you are talking about Awalaki's son, he wasn't the target. He happened to be with a well known Al Qaeda leader who had been tried by the Yemeni government in absentia and sentenced to death. The moral of that story is to watch who you hang with...
 
Yes, I am referring to the use of WMD during the 80s when Saddam used them against the Kurds and Iranians. The fact is that we were not certain that the weapons were gone. Inspectors were ordered out in 1998. I'm not sure of the last weapons found and destroyed by the inspectors....I think it may have been the missiles that had enough range to hit Israel, in violation of the treaty agreement.That was in 2003.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Iraq-says-6-missiles-destroyed-U-S-attack-2666429.php

The big difference between Clinton and Bush was that you cannot find any democrats arguing for an invasion and occupation....the democrats were arguing for a continuation of the embargo and no-fly zones. I'd agree that the primary reason was to encourage the Iraqi army to overthrow Saddam. So what? I think that was a reasonable thing to do. I think the US invading to make it happen was not.

Saddam represented a threat to no-one? That is a leap....while I agree that the Bush administration lied....Saddam was not harmless.
 
I already showed you info on who the target was when the 14 year old was killed in January of 2009....yet you still are trying to say that our targets were children and not terrorists....or that the terrorists weren't all that bad...."mini ones". WTF does that mean? I get the guys who blew up the busses in London were "mini-ones" eh?


Lol Blimy whilst I was sleeping, you have been busy, writing a whole book of nonsense ..............

In answer to your post, I do know btw and it would have said so in the link I thought I had posted and it says so in many articles ................. not so difficult to find the answers to the questions 'people' insist others must answer for them eh ?


I have no time for your book of nonsense now .........maybe later. so you had better put me on ignore, just in case you don't like my answers. if I can be bothered to answer that is.
 
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