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You know I have been visiting this forum for sometime. During that time I have heard those on the far left tell all of us over and over how great the economy is and how we have recovered so well. So I thought about this for a while and I have made a short list of real and irrefutable facts that the left and right need to look at carefully.

During the past year 81,000 pages of new regulations were enacted by the Obama administration. These regulations resulted in the loss of 5 million manufacturing jobs and the loss of 135 thousand manufacturing businesses. What does this actually tell us. It should say that over regulation and government control based on socialist principals are killing our manufacturing base as well as our economy.

The far left will be very quick to say that Obama has created over 11 million jobs, which may or may not be accurate. But what kind of jobs were actually created? Over one third of the American work force now works part time. This is due to two main factors, over regulation and Obama Care. Median household income under the Obama administration has actually declined an estimated 3 thousand dollars. This makes it harder for working Americans to put food on their table and pay their bills.

Obama has given the Fed unprecedented power, interest rates remain at an all time low and our markets are artificially propped up by the influx of federal money being printed 24/7. The real purpose of this political maneuver is to camouflage just how badly the economic policies enacted by our president really have been. It is impossible to fix a problem you cannot identify.

Over half of all Americans now firmly oppose Obama Care and as premiums and deductibles continue to rise many states have now opted out as it is apparent that this is nothing other than a giant Ponzi scheme that is designed to ultimately take us to a single payer system.

Think for a moment and see if you can name some everyday items you purchase regularly that are actually made in the USA. If you go to Wal Mart I will promise you that most of the items sold there were manufactured overseas. Now think back say 20 years ago, if you are old enough. This was not the case then. What has happened. Government happened, the EPA happened, higher taxes happened, Socialist policy happened, and corruption and greed happened.

We continue to elect politicians who promise us all the things we all want and actually need. But when these folks finally get their seats of power nothing happens, absolutely nothing. We continue to suffer under the umbrella of incompetence and ineptitude. The biggest offender in the lot is our own president. The real fact is that this magical recovery is in fact the worst since the second world war. Our dollar is weaker, our exports are fewer and our debt is far higher. Is this a picture of economic success? No it is not.

This being said, tell me how many of you can make it earning 15 dollars an hour and working 29 hours a week. This is the success model we are being asked to buy into by the Obama administration. Yes you may have a job but what good is that job if you are unable to pay your rent, or buy your groceries, or pay your car insurance. Folks, this is not rocket science, we cannot and must not continue down the path we are being lead like blind sheep being led to slaughter.

What do we need. It is actually very simple, less regulation, major tax reform, reduced government spending, a balanced budget, lower corporate income taxes, fewer tax loop holes, less entitlements, the repeal of Obama Care, regulate and audit the Fed and smaller and more efficient government. These things are the exact opposite of what is actually happening right now.

What is actually happening is designed for disaster. Don't believe me? Look at our debt, look at how many are on food stamps or other government assistance, look at how many are out of work, look at how many are under employed, look at how many live in poverty. So when you look at these things please do not pee on my leg and tell me how good it all is and then claim it is raining. In our economy right now Americans go to bed every night and they fear for their children's future. Is this the reality of government we are to accept?
 
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You know I have been visiting this forum for sometime. During that time I have heard those on the far left tell all of us over and over how great the economy is and how we have recovered so well. So I thought about this for a while and I have made a short list of real and irrefutable facts that the left and right need to look at carefully.

During the past year 81,000 pages of new regulations were enacted by the Obama administration. These regulations resulted in the loss of 5 million manufacturing jobs and the loss of 135 thousand manufacturing businesses. What does this actually tell us. It should say that over regulation and government control based on socialist principals are killing our manufacturing base as well as our economy.

The far left will be very quick to say that Obama has created over 11 million jobs, which may or may not be accurate. But what kind of jobs were actually created? Over one third of the American work force now works part time. This is due to two main factors, over regulation and Obama Care. Median household income under the Obama administration has actually declined an estimated 3 thousand dollars. This makes it harder for working Americans to put food on their table and pay their bills.

Obama has given the Fed unprecedented power, interest rates remain at an all time low and our markets are artificially propped up by the influx of federal money being printed 24/7. The real purpose of this political maneuver is to camouflage just how badly the economic policies enacted by our president really have been. It is impossible to fix a problem you cannot identify.

Over half of all Americans now firmly oppose Obama Care and as premiums and deductibles continue to rise many states have now opted out as it is apparent that this is nothing other than a giant Ponzi scheme that is designed to ultimately take us to a single payer system.

Think for a moment and see if you can name some everyday items you purchase regularly that are actually made in the USA. If you go to Wal Mart I will promise you that most of the items sold there were manufactured overseas. Now think back say 20 years ago, if you are old enough. This was not the case then. What has happened. Government happened, the EPA happened, higher taxes happened, Socialist policy happened, and corruption and greed happened.

We continue to elect politicians who promise us all the things we all want and actually need. But when these folks finally get their seats of power nothing happens, absolutely nothing. We continue to suffer under the umbrella of incompetence and ineptitude. The biggest offender in the lot is our own president. The real fact is that this magical recovery is in fact the worst since the second world war. Our dollar is weaker, our exports are fewer and our debt is far higher. Is this a picture of economic success? No it is not.

This being said, tell me how many of you can make it earning 15 dollars an hour and working 29 hours a week. This is the success model we are being asked to buy into by the Obama administration. Yes you may have a job but what good is that job if you are unable to pay your rent, or buy your groceries, or pay your car insurance. Folks, this is not rocket science, we cannot and must not continue down the path we are being lead like blind sheep being led to slaughter.

What do we need. It is actually very simple, less regulation, tax reform, reduced government spending, a balanced budget, lower corporate income taxes, fewer tax loop holes, less entitlements and smaller and more efficient government. These things are the exact opposite of what is actually happening right now.

What is actually happening is designed for disaster. Don't believe me? Look at our debt, look at how many are on food stamps or other government assistance, look at how many are out of work, look at how many are under employed, look at how many live in poverty. So when you look at these things please do not pee on my leg and tell me how good it all is and then claim it is raining. In our economy right now Americans go to bed every night and they fear for their children's future. Is this the reality of government we are to accept?

We had 11.5 million jobs when Obama took office. We now have 12 million...

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Does this include jobs through temp services? Many companies bring in quite a few temps during their busy periods.

My point was to refute the claim that we have lost millions of manufacturing jobs under Obama. If you wish to research temp vs perm manufacturing jobs over those years feel free...could be interesting.
 
Government allowed jobs to go to China?...Seems more like greedy corporations that wanted offshore their companies with cheap labor...Fewer Tax Loopholes?...Yeah Republicans are all for that...Sure
 
We had 11.5 million jobs when Obama took office. We now have 12 million...

So are you suggesting the Obama "recovery" has generated more good, "breadwinner" type jobs than when he was elected?

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Nope, still 2.5 million below the 2001 peak. Let us know when he gets us back to Clinton era levels of good breadwinner jobs, and then we'll talk about what a great job he has done with the economy. But don't forget, there's about 25 or 30 million more working age folks so he'll still have a ways to go on a percentage basis. How long has he got left in office? Man I hope he's got a great economic plan for his final months in office...
 
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You know I have been visiting this forum for sometime. During that time I have heard those on the far left tell all of us over and over how great the economy is and how we have recovered so well. So I thought about this for a while and I have made a short list of real and irrefutable facts that the left and right need to look at carefully.

During the past year 81,000 pages of new regulations were enacted by the Obama administration. These regulations resulted in the loss of 5 million manufacturing jobs and the loss of 135 thousand manufacturing businesses. What does this actually tell us. It should say that over regulation and government control based on socialist principals are killing our manufacturing base as well as our economy.

The far left will be very quick to say that Obama has created over 11 million jobs, which may or may not be accurate. But what kind of jobs were actually created? Over one third of the American work force now works part time. This is due to two main factors, over regulation and Obama Care. Median household income under the Obama administration has actually declined an estimated 3 thousand dollars. This makes it harder for working Americans to put food on their table and pay their bills.

Obama has given the Fed unprecedented power, interest rates remain at an all time low and our markets are artificially propped up by the influx of federal money being printed 24/7. The real purpose of this political maneuver is to camouflage just how badly the economic policies enacted by our president really have been. It is impossible to fix a problem you cannot identify.

Over half of all Americans now firmly oppose Obama Care and as premiums and deductibles continue to rise many states have now opted out as it is apparent that this is nothing other than a giant Ponzi scheme that is designed to ultimately take us to a single payer system.

Think for a moment and see if you can name some everyday items you purchase regularly that are actually made in the USA. If you go to Wal Mart I will promise you that most of the items sold there were manufactured overseas. Now think back say 20 years ago, if you are old enough. This was not the case then. What has happened. Government happened, the EPA happened, higher taxes happened, Socialist policy happened, and corruption and greed happened.

We continue to elect politicians who promise us all the things we all want and actually need. But when these folks finally get their seats of power nothing happens, absolutely nothing. We continue to suffer under the umbrella of incompetence and ineptitude. The biggest offender in the lot is our own president. The real fact is that this magical recovery is in fact the worst since the second world war. Our dollar is weaker, our exports are fewer and our debt is far higher. Is this a picture of economic success? No it is not.

This being said, tell me how many of you can make it earning 15 dollars an hour and working 29 hours a week. This is the success model we are being asked to buy into by the Obama administration. Yes you may have a job but what good is that job if you are unable to pay your rent, or buy your groceries, or pay your car insurance. Folks, this is not rocket science, we cannot and must not continue down the path we are being lead like blind sheep being led to slaughter.

What do we need. It is actually very simple, less regulation, major tax reform, reduced government spending, a balanced budget, lower corporate income taxes, fewer tax loop holes, less entitlements, the repeal of Obama Care, regulate and audit the Fed and smaller and more efficient government. These things are the exact opposite of what is actually happening right now.

What is actually happening is designed for disaster. Don't believe me? Look at our debt, look at how many are on food stamps or other government assistance, look at how many are out of work, look at how many are under employed, look at how many live in poverty. So when you look at these things please do not pee on my leg and tell me how good it all is and then claim it is raining. In our economy right now Americans go to bed every night and they fear for their children's future. Is this the reality of government we are to accept?

No should never use the words "facts."

You have no idea what they are.

;-)
 
No should never use the words "facts."

You have no idea what they are.

;-)


Please refer the post above by Lukey. Those are facts. Real facts. Facts that tell the truth about Obama's failed recovery plan. Facts that say what is really happening. Facts that even you cannot disprove. So tell your story walking.
 
Please refer the post above by Lukey. Those are facts. Real facts. Facts that tell the truth about Obama's failed recovery plan. Facts that say what is really happening. Facts that even you cannot disprove. So tell your story walking.

You two are carpers of a feather - you flock together.

;-)
 
You two are carpers of a feather - you flock together.

;-)


Maybe, but those are facts, Bugsy. Not like your fake unemployment claims. But maybe, just maybe you will get what you are hoping for and Hillary will be elected, your taxes will go up again and our economy will most assuredly collapse.
 
Maybe, but those are facts, Bugsy. Not like your fake unemployment claims. But maybe, just maybe you will get what you are hoping for and Hillary will be elected, your taxes will go up again and our economy will most assuredly collapse.

You used the word "facts" again.

See above.
 
Maybe, but those are facts, Bugs. Not like your fake unemployment claims. But maybe, just maybe you will get what you are hoping for and Hillary will be elected, your taxes will go up again and our economy will most assuredly collapse.

Won't matter to him. He's obviously either a government employee of contractor. You know, part of the 25% who either work for or on welfare from the federal government that think America is on the "right track."
 
Bugsy, Lukey has more knowledge about economics in his little finger than you have in your entire body. Are you stupid? Do you not understand what a fact is? Or are you just so brainwashed by Obamanomics that you are incapable of reality and truth?
 
Won't matter to him. He's obviously either a government employee of contractor. You know, part of the 25% who either work for or on welfare from the federal government that think America is on the "right track."

Resorting to mindless dittoing.

You've stooped to that.
 
The double ditto.

;-)

WTF is "dittoing?" In the first instance I said something completely new and unrelated to every post on this thread. It was just a personal observation completely out of the blue.

In the second I commented on your use of complete propaganda with respect to your claims that the Obama economic agenda is some sort of "success" - a notion the American people do not agree with:

http://www.people-press.org/2015/03...n-have-done-little-to-help-middle-class-poor/

Those aren't in any way, shape or form "dittoing"

dit·to
ˈdidō/
noun
noun: ditto; plural noun: dittos
  1. 1.
    used in accounts and lists to indicate that an item is repeated (often indicated by a ditto mark under the word or figure to be repeated).
    • informal
      used to indicate that something already said is applicable a second time.
      "if one folds his arms, so does the other; if one crosses his legs, ditto"
  2. 2.
    a similar thing; a duplicate.
So it appears when you have no valid rebuttal to offer you do one of two things - "translate" the other's post into something other than what it is and then you "refute" that straw argument you created from whole cloth, or (I guess when you are pressed for time) you simply call whatever the other person says "dittoing" when it obviously is nothing of the sort. See, that's why we know you are a propagandist and a completely dishonest poster. And THAT is a "fact."
 

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WTF is "dittoing?" In the first instance I said something completely new and unrelated to every post on this thread. It was just a personal observation completely out of the blue.

In the second I commented on your use of complete propaganda with respect to your claims that the Obama economic agenda is some sort of "success" - a notion the American people do not agree with:

http://www.people-press.org/2015/03...n-have-done-little-to-help-middle-class-poor/

Those aren't in any way, shape or form "dittoing"

dit·to
ˈdidō/
noun
noun: ditto; plural noun: dittos
  1. 1.
    used in accounts and lists to indicate that an item is repeated (often indicated by a ditto mark under the word or figure to be repeated).
    • informal
      used to indicate that something already said is applicable a second time.
      "if one folds his arms, so does the other; if one crosses his legs, ditto"
  2. 2.
    a similar thing; a duplicate.
So it appears when you have no valid rebuttal to offer you do one of two things - "translate" the other's post into something other than what it is and then you "refute" that straw argument you created from whole cloth, or (I guess when you are pressed for time) you simply call whatever the other person says "dittoing" when it obviously is nothing of the sort. See, that's why we know you are a propagandist and a completely dishonest poster. And THAT is a "fact."


Lukey, I have watched Bugs in here for some time. Rarely is he honest and mostly he promotes socialist propaganda and Obama's political agenda. I think he is actually paid to be here causing havoc and telling endless fabrications aimed at making the far left look pristine. He knows little about real economics and even less about foreign affairs. At best he is a political toad. When Bugs is presented with real facts he does one of two things he either changes the subject or he claims the source is unreliable. Then he will accuse you of being racist or worse.
 
Lukey, I have watched Bugs in here for some time. Rarely is he honest and mostly he promotes socialist propaganda and Obama's political agenda. I think he is actually paid to be here causing havoc and telling endless fabrications aimed at making the far left look pristine. He knows little about real economics and even less about foreign affairs. At best he is a political toad. When Bugs is presented with real facts he does one of two things he either changes the subject or he claims the source is unreliable. Then he will accuse you of being racist or worse.

And I enjoy documenting his mendacity. I find it very satisfying. I especially like spiking the ball into his face when he forgets who I am and accuses me of having supported Bush. LOL!
 
Won't matter to him. He's obviously either a government employee of contractor. You know, part of the 25% who either work for or on welfare from the federal government that think America is on the "right track."

Lukey, American Patriot couldn't even get to his second paragraph without telling a BLATANT LIE, the claim that we have lost five million manufacturing jobs under Obama. We most certainly have not, AND YOU KNOW IT!!

So: Why are you here, defending such lies?

And it was also a lie to claim that the dollar has become weaker under Obama, when in FACT it has strengthened against EVERY MAJOR WORLD CURRENCY.

And you know that, too.
 
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