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Obamagate

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I also haven't complained about the Van Buren administration.

For the record, I'm fine with investigating politicians of any stripe. Can you make the same claim?
and you do realize that Trump is the Current President....don't you?
 
Wow, whether intentionally or not, you just described Barack Obama more perfectly than I thought possible from a Lib.
Well it seems that we perceive politics and those who are presently active in a diametrically opposed manner. However you do appreciate The Band, The Tide, George Straight, Merle Haggard and the greatness of America in general so you are ok in my book.

Cheers
 

Zam-Zam

Governor
Yes.

What I'm against is investigations that are in search of a crime. We knew what the crime was during Nixon's days. We knew what the crime was in the Iran/Contra investigation...not so clear for WhiteWater or Benghazi (other than the obvious terrorists attacking the consulate)....

We knew what the crime was at the start of Crossfire...the Russians had broken US law. What we needed to find out was whether or not the Trump campaign had encouraged that crime in any way.

I'm comfortable with Barr/Durham handling the investigation.

Anyone who might be guilty of something might not be.

Let the chips fall where they may. It's all good.
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
Well it seems that we perceive politics and those who are presently active in a diametrically opposed manner. However you do appreciate The Band, The Tide, George Straight, Merle Haggard and the greatness of America in general so you are ok in my book.

Cheers
That's why I love America. There are always more things to agree on then there are to disagree on.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
You have a point, but to be fair, they didn’t ALL flatline:

Donald Trump settled out of court: Fair Housing Act violations (racial discrimination) 1975
Federal Trade Commission Act violations (secretive monopolistic practices) 1988
Civil Defamation (personal attack on a business analyst) 1990
Civil breach of contract (construction business) 1995
New Jersey Casino Control Act (antitrust violation) 2000
Palm Beach zoning code violation (flag was too big) 2006
Civil breach of contract (loan default) 2010
Civil misrepresentation (lawsuit by cheated investors) 2013
Civil and criminal racketeering(Trump University swindling students) 2017

Donald Trump pleaded guilty: Palm Beach zoning code violation (hedge wasn’t tall enough) 1988

Trump Plaza found liable: New Jersey Casino Control Act (race and sex discrimination) 1991

Trump Castle found guilty: New Jersey Casino Control Act (avoiding personal taxes for Trump through illegal handling of money in a casino) 1991

Donald Trump found at fault: cruel and inhuman treatment (divorce case) 1992

Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts settled out of court: Civil torts (unfair competition and commercial espionage) 2000

Donald Trump found guilty: New York Lobbying Act violation (illegal lobbying) 2000

Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts pleaded guilty: Securities Exchange Act violation (misreporting income) 2001

Donald Trump and Trump University found guilty: New York Education Law (falsely advertising a university education and operating an unlicensed university) 2005
Civil breach of contract, fraud, negligent misrepresentation, and bad faith (lawsuit by cheated students) 2015

Trump University pleaded guilty: New York Education Law (falsely advertising a university education) 2010

Trump National Golf Club Westchester settled out of court: civil bad faith (refusing to pay the winner of a charity golf tournament) 2010

Donald Trump found liable: New York Education Law (operating an unlicensed university) 2014

Trump Plaza found liable: New Jersey Casino Control Act (payments to an organized crime figure) 2016

Trump Foundation found guilty:
Internal Revenue Act violation (self-dealing and illegal disbursements by a charity) 2015
Internal Revenue Act violation (illegal campaign contribution by a charitable organization) 2016

Trump Foundation admitted liability: New York Estates, Powers, and Trusts law (operating an unregistered charity and fraudulent solicitation) 2016

Trump Foundation, Donald Trump, Ivanka Trump, Eric Trump, and Donald Trump Jr. settled out of court: New York Estates, Powers, and Trusts law (operating an unregistered charity, self-dealing, and illegal campaign contributions by a charity) 2019

I'm not interested in 20 or 30 year old frivolous lawsuits. Rich business men are always going to subject to lawsuits. It's part of doing business. I'm talking criminal investigations......particularly the ones launched since he announced his candidacy for President. Every single one has flatlined and gone belly up. The New York Times counted 30: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/13/us/politics/trump-investigations.html

And what is the status of all 30 of these? Dead in the water. No man has ever been subject to more hoaxes, witch hunts, scams, frivolous investigations in the history of this country. LIke I said, you fools ain't got anything on Trump except ass hurt.
 

MaryAnne

Governor
If you have evidence of illicit behavior by Flynn, you should be forthcoming and post it. Lots of military and political people (from both parties) get jobs after they retire that involves contact with foreign people. 99.9% of their work is legal, but can easily be twisted by demagogues into apparent "disloyalty." Making vague and unsubstantiated accusations is no way to present a coherent argument. Remember, the FBI looked into Flynn for months both before and after he became Trump's designee for NSA, and they found "no derogatory information" in deciding to close down the investigation (and remember, this was after they tapped the Kislyak call). The only "crime" you can find any actual evidence of is his refusal to play ball with Obama in gaslighting the American people that he had "al Queda on the run" and then going on to participate in the "lock her up" chant at the Republican convention.

The unmasking (apparently) is not illegal, in and of itself. The illegality was in leaking his name to the WaPo to further the "collusion" conspiracy by implying the call was in some way an indication of a treasonous "repayment" for Russian "assistance" for helping Trump get elected. Answer me this - if the "law enforcement and intel personnel were acting in good faith," why did they all go on TV in a seemingly coordinated effort to boldly state that they "had the evidence" of "collusion," but then, when put under oath in congress, each and every one of them stated that they really had none? It's easy to "trust" these people if you ignore their seeming corruption in this matter.

So it's okay that they railroaded a 33 year military veteran who was appointed national security adviser to a duly elected POTUS simply because they do it all the time? Answer me this - did you believe Mueller when he said Iraq possessed WMDs?


Are you aware of his less than stellar record?


Neither Mueller nor the sleaze bags at the top of the FBI (Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, et al) are people I want to stand with (nor are people like Brennan and Clapper who had front row seats to the politicization of the intelligence apparatus).

And in case you haven't noticed, Barr is attempting to change DOJ policy, so why don't you support him?
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MaryAnne

Governor
Obamagate Update: Brennan praises Durham


Former CIA Director John Brennan says he is willing to be interviewed by John Durham, the U.S. attorney from Connecticut investigating the origins of the Russia probe, while maintaining that he has “nothing to hide.”

Brennan, speaking with MSNBC, said he has yet to be contacted by Durham but said he would appear for an interview with him and his team of investigators.

“I feel very good that my tenure at CIA and my time at the White House during the Obama administration ... that I was not engaged in any type of wrongdoing or activities that cause me to worry about what this investigation may uncover,” Brennan said Friday. “So, I welcome the opportunity to talk with the investigators....

...Brennan called Durham a “well-respected individual from the Justice Department.”



Complete text: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/brennan-says-hes-willing-to-be-interviewed-by-durham-has-nothing-to-hide


See there? No worries....It's all good.

:)

Barr just announced he did not expect any charges from the Durham investigation.
:)
 

MaryAnne

Governor
Well it seems that we perceive politics and those who are presently active in a diametrically opposed manner. However you do appreciate The Band, The Tide, George Straight, Merle Haggard and the greatness of America in general so you are ok in my book.

Cheers
 

Raoul_Luke

I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive.
Barr doesn't expect Obama, Biden criminal investigations
How in the f*ck does that support the statement "Barr just announced he did not expect any charges from the Durham investigation"?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
It was in the post I responded to asking for the link . You butted in and linked to complete bullshit. But it's what I expect from you.
You asked for a link...I gave it to you. Try not to throw tantrums too often. Bad for your blood pressure.
 
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