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Obamagate

Zam-Zam

Governor
It will be a happy day when John Brennan goes to prison.
He claims he has nothing to hide.

He has had a few problems in the past, however:

You may recall, as director of the CIA, Brennan oversaw an operation of illegal spying on a staffer of the legislative branch of the United States government. At least five agency officials under his watch broke into Senate computer files, viewing drafts of a report on torture and reconstructing emails of at least one staffer. Brennan would attempt to cover up the agency’s actions by doubling down, blaming the Senate, and pushing to fire at least one staffer charged with investigating his agency.

It wasn’t until the CIA’s inspector general confirmed this wrongdoing that Brennan began negotiating with the senators about owning up to the spying (which we still don’t fully understand). Even then, however, he was lying about it to the public. When asked about the CIA hacking into Senate computers at an appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations, the intelligence chief responded that “nothing could be further from the truth. I mean we wouldn’t do that. I mean, that’s just beyond the – you know, the scope of reason in terms of what we would do.” Brennan went on to contend: “Let me assure you the CIA was in no way spying on [the committee] or the Senate.”





So, there's that.
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
He claims he has nothing to hide.

He has had a few problems in the past, however:

You may recall, as director of the CIA, Brennan oversaw an operation of illegal spying on a staffer of the legislative branch of the United States government. At least five agency officials under his watch broke into Senate computer files, viewing drafts of a report on torture and reconstructing emails of at least one staffer. Brennan would attempt to cover up the agency’s actions by doubling down, blaming the Senate, and pushing to fire at least one staffer charged with investigating his agency.

It wasn’t until the CIA’s inspector general confirmed this wrongdoing that Brennan began negotiating with the senators about owning up to the spying (which we still don’t fully understand). Even then, however, he was lying about it to the public. When asked about the CIA hacking into Senate computers at an appearance at the Council on Foreign Relations, the intelligence chief responded that “nothing could be further from the truth. I mean we wouldn’t do that. I mean, that’s just beyond the – you know, the scope of reason in terms of what we would do.” Brennan went on to contend: “Let me assure you the CIA was in no way spying on [the committee] or the Senate.”





So, there's that.
And he's lying when he says he has nothing to hide.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
If you read the link I provided, it explains the conditions that must be met to bring a conspiracy charge. Remember, collusion isn't a legal term. Collusion in criminal law is conspiracy.
Mueller couldn't pin down a conspiracy charge....and it's explained in the Mueller report why not.
Why did the Trump campaign have over 120 contacts with Russians? They were discussing the campaign. That's incriminating.
That statute is irrelevant if you cant even get to first base. Mueller said no one was coordinating. You can't collude with coordinating. There was no crime.....there wasn't even your distorted version of collusion. There was nothing. As the 53 witnesses all testified to.

All the contacts were perfectly legal. In what tiny brain does perfectly legal become "incriminating"? ROFL. And, of course, if you part of a campaign during an election year you are probably going to have it brought up. The dumb posts on this forum abound.
 
I don't expect that Obama will ever be held accountable (by the American jurisprudence system) for his crimes against the American people. But my hope is that karma will come around to visit him one day and his bill will come due.
Talk about bills coming due, Trump is about ready to reap his just deserts too. Trump is a guy who had everything handed to him on a silver platter has spent his whole adult life cheating and scamming anyone stupid enough to do business with him. Then he oozed his way into our government which he is using as a personal ATM for self enrichment and self glorification for himself, his family and his crooked cronies. He is about to get his just deserts soon.
 

Mick

The Right is always right
Talk about bills coming due, Trump is about ready to reap his just deserts too. Trump is a guy who had everything handed to him on a silver platter has spent his whole adult life cheating and scamming anyone stupid enough to do business with him. Then he oozed his way into our government which he is using as a personal ATM for self enrichment and self glorification for himself, his family and his crooked cronies. He is about to get his just deserts soon.
The nightly conspiracy seance has started, I see.......Madcow, Parnut, Fruitman.....1,2,3.....you finally have Trump and Flynn hanging from a tree. ROFL!

Dude, you fools ain't got anything on Trump. He's been subject to more hoaxes, scams, frivolous investigations than any person in American history. And what is the status of them ALL? FLATLINED!

November 2020 elected to a 2nd term. Meanwhile, your blood will be a boiling.
 

EatTheRich

President
The nightly conspiracy seance has started, I see.......Madcow, Parnut, Fruitman.....1,2,3.....you finally have Trump and Flynn hanging from a tree. ROFL!

Dude, you fools ain't got anything on Trump. He's been subject to more hoaxes, scams, frivolous investigations than any person in American history. And what is the status of them ALL? FLATLINED!

November 2020 elected to a 2nd term. Meanwhile, your blood will be a boiling.
You have a point, but to be fair, they didn’t ALL flatline:

Donald Trump settled out of court: Fair Housing Act violations (racial discrimination) 1975
Federal Trade Commission Act violations (secretive monopolistic practices) 1988
Civil Defamation (personal attack on a business analyst) 1990
Civil breach of contract (construction business) 1995
New Jersey Casino Control Act (antitrust violation) 2000
Palm Beach zoning code violation (flag was too big) 2006
Civil breach of contract (loan default) 2010
Civil misrepresentation (lawsuit by cheated investors) 2013
Civil and criminal racketeering(Trump University swindling students) 2017

Donald Trump pleaded guilty: Palm Beach zoning code violation (hedge wasn’t tall enough) 1988

Trump Plaza found liable: New Jersey Casino Control Act (race and sex discrimination) 1991

Trump Castle found guilty: New Jersey Casino Control Act (avoiding personal taxes for Trump through illegal handling of money in a casino) 1991

Donald Trump found at fault: cruel and inhuman treatment (divorce case) 1992

Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts settled out of court: Civil torts (unfair competition and commercial espionage) 2000

Donald Trump found guilty: New York Lobbying Act violation (illegal lobbying) 2000

Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts pleaded guilty: Securities Exchange Act violation (misreporting income) 2001

Donald Trump and Trump University found guilty: New York Education Law (falsely advertising a university education and operating an unlicensed university) 2005
Civil breach of contract, fraud, negligent misrepresentation, and bad faith (lawsuit by cheated students) 2015

Trump University pleaded guilty: New York Education Law (falsely advertising a university education) 2010

Trump National Golf Club Westchester settled out of court: civil bad faith (refusing to pay the winner of a charity golf tournament) 2010

Donald Trump found liable: New York Education Law (operating an unlicensed university) 2014

Trump Plaza found liable: New Jersey Casino Control Act (payments to an organized crime figure) 2016

Trump Foundation found guilty:
Internal Revenue Act violation (self-dealing and illegal disbursements by a charity) 2015
Internal Revenue Act violation (illegal campaign contribution by a charitable organization) 2016

Trump Foundation admitted liability: New York Estates, Powers, and Trusts law (operating an unregistered charity and fraudulent solicitation) 2016

Trump Foundation, Donald Trump, Ivanka Trump, Eric Trump, and Donald Trump Jr. settled out of court: New York Estates, Powers, and Trusts law (operating an unregistered charity, self-dealing, and illegal campaign contributions by a charity) 2019
 
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You have a point, but to be fair, they didn’t ALL flatline:

Donald Trump settled out of court: Fair Housing Act violations (racial discrimination) 1975
Federal Trade Commission Act violations (secretive monopolistic practices) 1988
Civil Defamation (personal attack on a business analyst) 1990
Civil breach of contract (construction business) 1995
New Jersey Casino Control Act (antitrust violation) 2000
Palm Beach zoning code violation (flag was too big) 2006
Civil breach of contract (loan default) 2010
Civil misrepresentation (lawsuit by cheated investors) 2013
Civil and criminal racketeering(Trump University swindling students) 2017

Donald Trump pleaded guilty: Palm Beach zoning code violation (hedge wasn’t tall enough) 1988

Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts settled out of court: Civil torts (unfair competition and commercial espionage) 2000

Trump Plaza found liable: New Jersey Casino Control Act (race and sex discrimination) 1991

Trump Castle found guilty: New Jersey Casino Control Act (avoiding personal taxes for Trump through illegal handling of money in a casino) 1991

Donald Trump found at fault: cruel and inhuman treatment (divorce case) 1992

Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts settled out of court: Civil torts (unfair competition and commercial espionage) 2000

Donald Trump found guilty: New York Lobbying Act violation (illegal lobbying) 2000

Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts pleaded guilty: Securities Exchange Act violation (misreporting income) 2001

Donald Trump and Trump University found guilty: New York Education Law (falsely advertising a university education and operating an unlicensed university) 2005
Civil breach of contract, fraud, negligent misrepresentation, and bad faith (lawsuit by cheated students) 2015

Trump University pleaded guilty: New York Education Law (falsely advertising a university education) 2010

Trump National Golf Club Westchester settled out of court: civil bad faith (refusing to pay the winner of a charity golf tournament) 2010

Donald Trump found liable: New York Education Law (operating an unlicensed university) 2014

Trump Plaza found liable: New Jersey Casino Control Act (payments to an organized crime figure) 2016

Trump Foundation found guilty:
Internal Revenue Act violation (self-dealing and illegal disbursements by a charity) 2015
Internal Revenue Act violation (illegal campaign contribution by a charitable organization) 2016

Trump Foundation admitted liability: New York Estates, Powers, and Trusts law (operating an unregistered charity and fraudulent solicitation) 2016

Trump Foundation, Donald Trump, Ivanka Trump, Eric Trump, and Donald Trump Jr. settled out of court: New York Estates, Powers, and Trusts law (operating an unregistered charity, self-dealing, and illegal campaign contributions by a charity) 2019
These are all hoaxes and witch hunts against the truly ethical and honest Donald Trump. Angry Democrats hatched all of these evil plots....Lol
 

JuliefromOhio

Senator
Supporting Member
Conservative Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin explained in her Monday piece that President Donald Trump’s latest conspiracy theory about former President Barack Obama is really just another attempt to bring back birtherism to distract from his coronavirus failures.

New York Times, Charles Blow claimed that former President Barack Obama “lives” in Donald Trump’s head because the current president knows his predecessor is everything he wishes he could be.
By which Blow means, “intellectual, articulate, adroit, contemplative and cool.”
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
If you read the link I provided, it explains the conditions that must be met to bring a conspiracy charge. Remember, collusion isn't a legal term. Collusion in criminal law is conspiracy.
Mueller couldn't pin down a conspiracy charge....and it's explained in the Mueller report why not.
Why did the Trump campaign have over 120 contacts with Russians? They were discussing the campaign. That's incriminating.
Certainly counts as circumstantial evidence.

For it to be a conspiracy there only has to be an understood agreement of favorable treatment if the election goes "our" way....Somewhere between a wink and a nod.
 

JuliefromOhio

Senator
Supporting Member
Certainly counts as circumstantial evidence.

For it to be a conspiracy there only has to be an understood agreement of favorable treatment if the election goes "our" way....Somewhere between a wink and a nod.
It hurts my head to have to go over and over this. I'd prefer to smack the Trumpies upside their heads. They have Trump's narrative and are blind to the truth.
 

Zam-Zam

Governor
And yet you find nothing wrong with Trump firing IGs or telling federal employees to ignore congressional subpoenas?
"But...TRUMP!" There it is again. Who doesn't love a good threadjack?

Investigate them all, and let the chips fall where they may. I'm fine with that.
 

JackDallas

Senator
Supporting Member
Talk about bills coming due, Trump is about ready to reap his just deserts too. Trump is a guy who had everything handed to him on a silver platter has spent his whole adult life cheating and scamming anyone stupid enough to do business with him. Then he oozed his way into our government which he is using as a personal ATM for self enrichment and self glorification for himself, his family and his crooked cronies. He is about to get his just deserts soon.
Wow, whether intentionally or not, you just described Barack Obama more perfectly than I thought possible from a Lib.
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
"But...TRUMP!" There it is again. Who doesn't love a good threadjack?

Investigate them all, and let the chips fall where they may. I'm fine with that.
You wrote that you prefer transparency and yet I've never seen a complaint from you related to the lack of it in this administration...just thought I'd point it out.
 

Zam-Zam

Governor
You wrote that you prefer transparency and yet I've never seen a complaint from you related to the lack of it in this administration...just thought I'd point it out.
I also haven't complained about the Van Buren administration.

For the record, I'm fine with investigating politicians of any stripe. Can you make the same claim?
 

middleview

President
Supporting Member
I also haven't complained about the Van Buren administration.

For the record, I'm fine with investigating politicians of any stripe. Can you make the same claim?
Yes.

What I'm against is investigations that are in search of a crime. We knew what the crime was during Nixon's days. We knew what the crime was in the Iran/Contra investigation...not so clear for WhiteWater or Benghazi (other than the obvious terrorists attacking the consulate)....

We knew what the crime was at the start of Crossfire...the Russians had broken US law. What we needed to find out was whether or not the Trump campaign had encouraged that crime in any way.
 
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