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I would like to see one person on the left telling us thoughtfully why this isn't front page news.

Then that same person could let us know why Obama would say this:

“A woman may not even know that she’s pregnant at six weeks,” he said. As long as Planned Parenthood and other groups have to fight to defend women’s reproductive rights, he added later, “you’ve also got a president who will be right there with you, fighting every step of the way.”
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Want to kill your at-term baby? President Obama has your back.
 
This story isn't quite as obscure as is being repeatedly claimed. I've been following it for 2 years. Oddly, I lived about 3 blocks away from Gosnell's abortion clinic in the early 2000s.
 
well, that's the only thing the outraged rightwingers can dishonestly claim.

It's been widely reported, they just choose to maintain otherwise, because BSing/lying is pretty much all they have to keep the outrage alive.
 
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/baby

would someone please explain to me what a baby is? Because someone wants their beliefs to be followed, where does it in our constitution say anyone has the right to forgo history and create a new definition as to what has Been forever.

I'm sorry Jen and Barbra and anyone else who wants to change history, but a baby is living human person, and a dead baby is one that has had life and a breath of fresh air. A sperm or a cell is not a baby and anyone who thinks they should have the right over whatever is in my body if I am a woman is nuts.
There is nothing in our constitution that guarantees that anyone who has a sperm implanted in any way has got to allow it to become a citizen of the USA by giving birth. It may be what you think should happen, but show me in our constitution as written by our forefathers, where it say you or anyone has the right to make it happen.
 
Jen said:
I would like to see one person on the left telling us thoughtfully why this isn't front page news.

Then that same person could let us know why Obama would say this:



Want to kill your at-term baby? President Obama has your back.
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Want to kill people who don't believe the same as you, Bush has your back.
 
Jen said:
I would like to see one person on the left telling us thoughtfully why this isn't front page news.

Then that same person could let us know why Obama would say this:



Want to kill your at-term baby? President Obama has your back.
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So Obama supporting planned parenthood is the same as killing an at-term baby? What a disgusting conflating of non-alike things, you should be ashamed.

Hey kids, just so you know? You know, just in case you don't already know? In case you missed every single post and article from the left decrying what this guy did? In case you don't pay attention? Well pay attention, if you can. The "left" does not support what this monster did, Mmmmmkay? Can you get that? However, not supporting this guy is not the same as not supporting a woman's right to privacy. Do you see that we can support a woman's right not to be a slave to a blastocyst while still not supporting a doctor murduring a viable baby? Can you see that?
 
Is THIS the same Planned Parenthood that most Lefties are supporting?

Is it the same Planned Parenthood that Obama gave his solid support for in that speech?

In stunning testimony and to the shock ofpro-life and pro-choice legislators alike, the official continued to reiterate that Planned Parenthood believes that this decision should be made by the patient (mother) and the physician (abortionist), even after there is clearly another living patient outside the womb and lying on the operating table.
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Yes. As a matter of fact it is.
I rest my case. You can't have it both ways, BobbyT.
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BobbyT said:
So Obama supporting planned parenthood is the same as killing an at-term baby? What a disgusting conflating of non-alike things, you should be ashamed.

Hey kids, just so you know? You know, just in case you don't already know? In case you missed every single post and article from the left decrying what this guy did? In case you don't pay attention? Well pay attention, if you can. The "left" does not support what this monster did, Mmmmmkay? Can you get that? However, not supporting this guy is not the same as not supporting a woman's right to privacy. Do you see that we can support a woman's right not to be a slave to a blastocyst while still not supporting a doctor murduring a viable baby? Can you see that?
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Interesting isn't it, that PP has become a "lefty" organization to some current day "republicans".

Mr. Conservative and his familiy:

May. 8, 2012 12:00 AM

Attack on Planned Parenthood just sad


"What the hell is going on with our state and current Legislature?"

"My mother, Peggy Goldwater, started Planned Parenthood in Arizona in 1937. I have served on its board and am currently an advocate, as are my daughters. This is a very vital resource for women."

"Planned Parenthood is so much more than abortion! The education and assistance available, cancer screening and numerable other services are invaluable to low-income families."

"I am seeing political grandstanding by egomaniacs. My father, Barry, would be extremely disappointed and very sad to see his beloved Arizona heading in the wrong, religious, right-wing direction."

-- Joanne Goldwater, Scottsdale


Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...-on-planned-parenthood-sad.html#ixzz2RdfYLMkf

http://www.phoenixmag.com/lifestyle/history/200912/goldwater-s-choice/
http://www.womensheritagetrail.org/women/PeggyGoldwater.php

http://www.plannedparenthoodaction....ry-boards-and-initiatives/republicans-choice/

They eat their own.
 
Barbella said:
How anyone can call it a "clump of cells" and not fight to keep it alive is beyond me.
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It is beyond me too. But a decision made between a woman, her doctor and her Creator doesn't include me. Let's start with "things we can't understand." Then we'll put it with "decisions which aren't ours". And we leave it for the Creator to decide. We Can disagree with such a decision, but we cannot use the power of the state to interfere with a woman's decision at such an intimately personal level. If conservatives believe the state has the power to invade such intimate privacy then it is hard to imagine you believe any privacy exists at all.
 
What's beyond me is the time and energy spent on deciding life begins before birth and somehow ends at birth (unless someone can turn a profit from it) because it is too expensive for people who prefer their million or billion dollar net worth and lifestyles to the "preciousness" of life once it is born. Why not protect and support it outside the womb as much or more than some seem to want to "protect" it inside the person whom without, it would not exist? Why deny those who will carry and put their health on the line to carry to term the same choice as to whether they can afford to support bringing a new life into the world anymore than their society decides it can or cannot support new life beyond the womb? Is it preferable to view birth as mechanical, emotionless and a legal obligation or something that is desired, as is what is born to life?

http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Learn/world hunger facts 2002.htm

When there is not a single hungry or wanting child that has been born into this world, when people stop profiting from birth (see link below), then perhaps we can afford to spend time on support of the unborn and decide which "life" takes precedence over another and be the "deciders" for others.

http://www.originscanada.org/infant.pdf

http://www.childbirthconnection.org/article.asp?ck=10456
 
Jen said:
Is THIS the same Planned Parenthood that most Lefties are supporting?

Is it the same Planned Parenthood that Obama gave his solid support for in that speech?



Yes. As a matter of fact it is.
I rest my case. You can't have it both ways, BobbyT.
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What the [Unwelcome language removed] are you quoting? Who's speach is that? Who is the "official" who made the quote you're hiding behind? Can you attribute it? What do you suppose Obama (and I) are agreeing to if you can't manage to even attribute that quote or give the context?

Let me be perfectly clear, in case it's too much for you: it's none of your, or anybody's, damn business what a woman chooses to do with a pregnancy.
 
I gave you a link.

Here is a link to the article. It was there originally and now it's not. I must have messed it up. Interesting how you leap to cursing at me rather than just ask for a link that seems to be missing. Are you a stranger to common courtesy?

LINK

The other link (in my original post) is a video of the Planned Parenthood spokesperson who would leave it up to the doctor and baby mama whether to kill the live baby on the table or help it live.
Chilling!

BobbyT said:
What the [Unwelcome language removed] are you quoting? Who's speach is that? Who is the "official" who made the quote you're hiding behind? Can you attribute it? What do you suppose Obama (and I) are agreeing to if you can't manage to even attribute that quote or give the context?

Let me be perfectly clear, in case it's too much for you: it's none of your, or anybody's, damn business what a woman chooses to do with a pregnancy.
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Jen said:
I gave you a link.

Here is a link to the article. It was there originally and now it's not. I must have messed it up. Interesting how you leap to cursing at me rather than just ask for a link that seems to be missing. Are you a stranger to common courtesy?

LINK

The other link (in my original post) is a video of the Planned Parenthood spokesperson who would leave it up to the doctor and baby mama whether to kill the live baby on the table or help it live.
Chilling!
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Six weeks is "at term"????? How do you derive what you appear to be suggesting from the article you linked to?

What were the exact words of the PP spokesperson? Did they really advocate for a decision one way or another or defer the decision to others?

Curious to know how leaving the decision to the mother and their doctor translates to PP supporting something definitive (besides deferring any decision to a mother and her doctor). It is a mystery in reality, perhaps not so much a mystery for those who live in alternative realities.
 
Don't like abortions? Don't have one. Do you know someone who is going to have an abortion? Tell her you'll adopt the baby and support her during her pregnancy....do what you can to persuade anyone you come in contact with to not have an abortion...but, to ask the federal government to make abortion a crime? Nope. Can't help you there.
 
middleview said:
Don't like abortions? Don't have one. Do you know someone who is going to have an abortion? Tell her you'll adopt the baby and support her during her pregnancy....do what you can to persuade anyone you come in contact with to not have an abortion...but, to ask the federal government to make abortion a crime? Nope. Can't help you there.
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