question for cons

[degsme]

NYT/NBC

Cairo -



(That would be the same group that claimed responsibilty.)

Hmm we know that NOW... but when did we learn the name of Khattalla?

But anyway...as opposed to saw, please tell us how an eye witness knows as a factual matter the motive was a video....in any crime for that matter?

Um huh???

Who has VALIDATED the claims of these supposed witnesses?

Witnesses at the scene of the attack on the American Mission in Benghazi have said theysaw Mr. Abu Khattala leading the assault

Hmm so because someone says somethign, it is automatically true.. right?
And because someone posts something on Facebook it is automatically true... right?


So if I post on FaceBook that I take responsibility for Romney being a tax cheating liar... that makes Romney a Tax Cheating liar and me responsible right?



Yeah I didn't thnk so.


Try REASONING

try FACTS.

 

[Boca]

LOL....you're something else....willing to accept the idea that some witnesses can read minds while witnesses who say they saw something are questionable....even though the Libyan investigators apparently believe them.

Too funny degs....

 

[Colorforms]

Probably not, but on the other hand, if Obama had come out and said it was a terrorist organization because they were watching the attack in real time, then it would have held more weight.

 

[JackDallas]

What, precisely, was the lie? The witnesses say it was in response to the video, even tho it was an act of terror like President Obama said on 9/12. You keep prattling on about "lies", but cannot or will not specify what the lie was.

Specifically, Obama and his surrogates kept saying, for 14 days, that the attack was the result of Muslim anger over the video, when they KNEW the next day that it was, in fact, a pre-planned attack by a wing of Al Qaeda. That is the specific lie.

 

[trapdoor]

and be honest, please. If Obama had come out just hours after the Benghazi attack and identified a certain terrorist group as responsible for the attack because they were told it was posted on Facebook, would you have accepted it?

Not based on the Facebook source, but the Facebook source isn't the source that was critical. It was the various intelligence service reports before and after the attack that would have been credible.

 

[Jen]

I made my reply to Judy, not to NS. Since NS responded to Judy, I didn't even read that post. I am not reading this one either since you couldn't be bothered to use threaded view and made this post to me under a false assumption.

No NS did not...we have all READ your posts. and they are ridiculous.

You claim that things that were "suspicions" were the same thing as knowlege
you claim that an unverified posting on Facebook is proof
You claim that uncorroborated and unverified witness reporting is FACT
You claim that what the Libyan President said After the attacks and which is nowhere corroborated IS FACT
You claim that the Embassador made requests HE NEVER MADE
You conflate the Embassy in TRIPOLI with the Consulate in Benghazi
You claim Obama Partied during the attack.. no that is false
You have claimed that somehow the Oval Office is better connnected than AirForce One... that is false

These are ALL things you have written in your posts

These are all things we have READ.

YOU look ridiculous.


Because like Donald "We know where the WMD Are" Rumsfeld... you don't seem to be able to distinguish between knowledge and belief
you don't seem to be able to distinguisn between allegation and corroboration
you don't seem to be able to distinguish between claim and verified claim.

THAT'S What makes you look ridiculous.

And has made you look ridiculous SINCE you posted that "Obama usually leaves the office by 4pm" when the daily schedule the WH posts refuted your claims.


FACTS JEN

VERIFIABLE FACTS
they matter.
pretending they do not, makes you look ridiculous.


Lets try it this way. What should Obama have done diffrently? Tell us the timeline AS IT SHOULD have gone. What should have been said when?


Lets hear this.

 

[degsme]

I made my reply to Judy, not to NS. Since NS responded to Judy, I didn't even read that post. I am not reading this one either since you couldn't be bothered to use threaded view and made this post to me under a false assumption.

No I read your lies in threaded view.. and I responded to them.

That you are unable to address the points I raised is telling.

Once again, you throw out dishonest crap.. and then run away... in 6 mos we will see you pretending to have also forgotten writing that "Obama lied about Benghazi"..


Sorry Jen that doesn't cut it...

FACTS MATTER

there is a DIFERENCE between KNOWING and BELIEVING... and you don't seem to understand that difference.

 

[degsme]

LOL....you're something else....willing to accept the idea that some witnesses can read minds while witnesses who say they saw something are questionable

Hmm which "witness is reading minds"? hmm?

As for Libyin investigators apparently believing them... last I heard the investigators in Libya had not even been able to get to the compound because of security issues... how did they get to interviewing them to determine believability?

TIMELINES dude TIMELINES.

 

[IrishOne]

You nailed it.

No NS did not...we have all READ your posts. and they are ridiculous.

You claim that things that were "suspicions" were the same thing as knowlege
you claim that an unverified posting on Facebook is proof
You claim that uncorroborated and unverified witness reporting is FACT
You claim that what the Libyan President said After the attacks and which is nowhere corroborated IS FACT
You claim that the Embassador made requests HE NEVER MADE
You conflate the Embassy in TRIPOLI with the Consulate in Benghazi
You claim Obama Partied during the attack.. no that is false
You have claimed that somehow the Oval Office is better connnected than AirForce One... that is false

These are ALL things you have written in your posts

These are all things we have READ.

YOU look ridiculous.


Because like Donald "We know where the WMD Are" Rumsfeld... you don't seem to be able to distinguish between knowledge and belief
you don't seem to be able to distinguisn between allegation and corroboration
you don't seem to be able to distinguish between claim and verified claim.

THAT'S What makes you look ridiculous.

And has made you look ridiculous SINCE you posted that "Obama usually leaves the office by 4pm" when the daily schedule the WH posts refuted your claims.


FACTS JEN

VERIFIABLE FACTS
they matter.
pretending they do not, makes you look ridiculous.


Lets try it this way. What should Obama have done diffrently? Tell us the timeline AS IT SHOULD have gone. What should have been said when?


Lets hear this.

 

[IrishOne]

Here is Rmoney's before-any-facts accusations against the POTUS, which proved many times to be absolutely FALSE. Get the F over it. Rmoney suggests the "tape", NOT the POTUS.

BTW- The U.S. Constitution is NOT valid outside the USA. Not. Valid.


America will not tolerate attacks against our citizens and against our embassies. We’ll defend also our constitutional rights of speech and assembly and religion.

We have confidence in our cause in America. We respect our Constitution. We stand for the principles our Constitution protects. We encourage other nations to understand and respect the principles of our Constitution, because we recognize that these principles are the ultimate source of freedom for individuals around the world.

I also believe the administration was wrong to stand by a statement sympathizing with those who had breached our embassy in Egypt, instead of condemning their actions. It’s never too early for the United States government to condemn attacks on Americans and to defend our values.

The White House distanced itself last night from the statement, saying it wasn’t cleared by Washington. That reflects the mixed signals they’re sending to the world.

The attacks in Libya and Egypt underscore that the world remains a dangerous place and that American leadership is still sorely needed. In the face of this violence, American cannot shrink from the responsibility to lead. American leadership is necessary to ensure that events in the region don’t spin out of control. We cannot hesitate to use our influence in the region to support those who share our values and our interests.

Over the last several years, we’ve stood witness to an Arab spring that presents an opportunity for a more peaceful and prosperous, but also poses the potential for peril if the forces of extremism and violence are allowed to control the course of events. We must strive to ensure that the Arab spring does not become an Arab winter.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...314562-fceb-11e1-b153-218509a954e1_story.html

 

[IrishOne]

Ridiculous.

I made my reply to Judy, not to NS. Since NS responded to Judy, I didn't even read that post. I am not reading this one either since you couldn't be bothered to use threaded view and made this post to me under a false assumption.

 

[IrishOne]

America will not tolerate attacks against our citizens and against our embassies. We’ll defend also our constitutional rights of speech and assembly and religion.

We have confidence in our cause in America. We respect our Constitution. We stand for the principles our Constitution protects. We encourage other nations to understand and respect the principles of our Constitution, because we recognize that these principles are the ultimate source of freedom for individuals around the world.

I also believe the administration was wrong to stand by a statement sympathizing with those who had breached our embassy in Egypt, instead of condemning their actions. It’s never too early for the United States government to condemn attacks on Americans and to defend our values.

The White House distanced itself last night from the statement, saying it wasn’t cleared by Washington. That reflects the mixed signals they’re sending to the world.

The attacks in Libya and Egypt underscore that the world remains a dangerous place and that American leadership is still sorely needed. In the face of this violence, American cannot shrink from the responsibility to lead. American leadership is necessary to ensure that events in the region don’t spin out of control. We cannot hesitate to use our influence in the region to support those who share our values and our interests.

Over the last several years, we’ve stood witness to an Arab spring that presents an opportunity for a more peaceful and prosperous, but also poses the potential for peril if the forces of extremism and violence are allowed to control the course of events. We must strive to ensure that the Arab spring does not become an Arab winter.

It had nothing to do with the video. And I'm sorry you felt the need to insult me (I don't "prattle")

 

[IrishOne]

When you post an excerpt, it is customary to post the DATE it was released. Otherwise it's 20/20 hindsight.

 

[IrishOne]

Simply not true. A LIE. Date: 9/11/2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Nu6VZ9DeVc

Obama 2012

 

[IrishOne]

You mean like when the POTUS watched OBL getting killed in real time, he gets credit for getting the terrorist that planned 9/11?

 

[Boca]

The date is on the linked article....Oct 18th

 

[Judy1]

Hmmm, I never called you out personally Jen, I was speaking in very general terms, but if you feel that the shoe fit, by all means, wear it...please! ;o)

 

[Dino]

No I don't think Facebook is quite convincing enough, but the problem was not classifying this as a terrorist attack when it became apparent that's what we were dealing with. It's not the "who did it" that troubles many, it's the lack of a clear vision as to what we're dealing with overseas. The type of disconnect shown was irresponsible and an impotent response to someone slapping our collective faces.

 

[Lapcat]

Not only that, but this glaringly obvious reluctance of Obama and his administration to call it what it IS.....radical Islamic terrorism.....could and probably would get thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, MORE Americans killed, if Obama were to cheat his way into a second term. America just can't afford another four years of Barack Hussein Obama....and this is just one MORE reason why.

No I don't think Facebook is quite convincing enough, but the problem was not classifying this as a terrorist attack when it became apparent that's what we were dealing with. It's not the "who did it" that troubles many, it's the lack of a clear vision as to what we're dealing with overseas. The type of disconnect shown was irresponsible and an impotent response to someone slapping our collective faces.

 

[Lapcat]

If Obama had come out and said it looks like a terrorist attack (big "if")....due to all info we'd receiving from intel....foreign AND domestic.....

yeah....and HELL yeah...I would have accepted it.

Instead....he LIED, blamed it on a video, and continued to LIE to the American public.

It's past time for his sorry, lying ass to GO.

and be honest, please. If Obama had come out just hours after the Benghazi attack and identified a certain terrorist group as responsible for the attack because they were told it was posted on Facebook, would you have accepted it?