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Surreal....

No you shouldn't Boca unless you have something to be fearful for. Are you saying that everything is hunky dorie boca and nothing needs to be done?

I have guns, my son has guns, but my guns were used for what they should be used for, hunting and fun and not a one of them needs to have 15/30/50/100 clips for them to be used. They are what we call up here in MN a hunting gun. But we understand that even guns that are used for hunting can could do much damage to ordinary people, if they fall into the hands of some people who shouldn't have them.

It is you that is installing fear, not these people who are trying to come up with a mix that will help keep people safe but still let the gun owner have his fun and be able to hunt, while protecting his family if he feels he has a need for guns to do this.
How many kids got shot in this last shooting in calif. Boca? How many would have been shot if he had the ability to continue to shoot with say 50 round clips? Yes one kid and maybe a teacher was hit, but that was the end of it.
 
Boca said:
Not only does Biden's task force on gun control/violence include Fast and Furious Eric, an accessory to the murder of hundreds of Mexican citizens, but also a union boss father of a kid convicted of planning a Columbine-style mass murder plot at a Massachusetts high school !

And we shouldn't be afraid of these people?
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Let's face it - gun nuts would whine about any panel not composed entirely of extremist NRA members.

You know- the nuts who say that the way to reduce gun violence is to have lots more guns in lots more places.
 
NRA caused Fast and Furious - you do realize that?

Had there not been a "no background checks for private sales" that the NRA has been vigorously defending, there would be no Fast&Furious.

Its a sorry joke to lay the blame on those trying to interdict those strawman purchases for the existance of those purchases.
 
You realize that the NRA caused F&F...not the folks trying to interdict strawman private sales that have no background check requirements....

BTW the government WAS doing its legal best to help in that circumstance. Too bad gun fetishists have consistently crippled that ability.
 
You've got your panties in a twist over the fact that the Attorney General of the United States is on the task force?

And, you're all hot and bothered that the father of a criminal is on the task force as well? What, did he help his son plan the attack?

What's surreal is that you actually think that these are disqualifying items.
 
degsme said:
NRA caused Fast and Furious - you do realize that?

Had there not been a "no background checks for private sales" that the NRA has been vigorously defending, there would be no Fast&Furious.

Its a sorry joke to lay the blame on those trying to interdict those strawman purchases for the existance of those purchases.
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Degs -- fast and furious involved sales from DEALER'S not individuals. Let me ask you this -- how would you enforce a background check on private face-to-face sales?
 
trapdoor said:
Degs -- fast and furious involved sales from DEALER'S not individuals. Let me ask you this -- how would you enforce a background check on private face-to-face sales?
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Easy. The seller gets the info and fills out the same form a dealer fills out, and pursues the same process as the dealer.
 
Bugsy McGurk said:
Easy. The seller gets the info and fills out the same form a dealer fills out, and pursues the same process as the dealer.
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The process pursued by a dealer involved specialised access to do the background check. You'd give that access to everyone?

When you buy a gun from a dealer you fill out federal form 4473, which is then kept by the dealer as a record of the sale. Is that how the face-to-face sale between individuals would work? I sell you a gun, you fill out 4473, and I keep the 4473? How would that be any different from me just knowing who I sold the gun to?
 
Bo-4 said:
A four year old story? I think it's a GREAT idea for the parent of a kid who went bad has input as to what went wrong with his son.

You people are starting to strike me as insane.
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The age of the story is unimportant. First the source was questionable. When the information is proven to be from a reliable source (the Boston Globe), then you change directions. I won't comment on whether that is sanity.
 
trapdoor said:
The process pursued by a dealer involved specialised access to do the background check. You'd give that access to everyone?

When you buy a gun from a dealer you fill out federal form 4473, which is then kept by the dealer as a record of the sale. Is that how the face-to-face sale between individuals would work? I sell you a gun, you fill out 4473, and I keep the 4473? How would that be any different from me just knowing who I sold the gun to?
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Of course. If you would want dealers doing it instead of the individual sellers, or a central government office, I'd be fine with that too. Whatever makes you happy.
 
trapdoor said:
The age of the story is unimportant. First the source was questionable. When the information is proven to be from a reliable source (the Boston Globe), then you change directions. I won't comment on whether that is sanity.
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No dude, i want the current story about the father, not the one from four years ago about the sentencing of his son.

Without the survivalist spin please.
 
Bugsy McGurk said:
Let's face it - gun nuts would whine about any panel not composed entirely of extremist NRA members.

You know- the nuts who say that the way to reduce gun violence is to have lots more guns in lots more places.
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Makes perfect sense, really. Whenever we have a panel on something like contraception, Republicans insist the panel should be composed entirely of old white male Puritans.
 
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