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War

Wahbooz

Governor
What the hell is it good for.

Some cheer it, as if it's no more than a Sunday afternoon John Wayne movie, or a football game. They are completely detached from the reality of war, and for good reason. Most cheerleaders have never been in a war, so they have no idea what it entails.

There was a poem, I read many years ago, by a 21 year old Lance Cpl Lester Atherden, who died 4 March, 1966 in Quang Ngai. Here is his poem. There are errors in the body of the poem, but just ignore them. I made fun of Marines, but I respected them. My fellow classmates who enlisted as well as my cousins, and I weep for all those who died.

FROM MARINE LESTER ROBERT ATHERDEN:

WHO IS HE? YOU SIT AT HOME AND WATCH YOUR TV SIPPING A REFRESHING COLD ICED TEA, THE NEWS COMES ON AND THEN YOU HERE, THE ALL-STAR GAME IS DRAWING NEAR, THEN YOU SEE A FAR OFF LAND, WHERE MEN ARE DYING IN THE SAND, A FROWN APPEARS ACROSS YOUR FACE, YOU'RE TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT THIS PLACE.

WHO CARES ABOUT VIETNAM ACROSS THE SEA, IT'S FAR AWAY AND DOESN'T CONCERN ME, YOU'D RATHER HEAR THE BEATLES PLAY, THAN LEARN ABOUT THE WORLD TODAY, BUT STOP AND THINK A MOMENT OR TWO, AND ASK YOURSELF,DOES THIS CONCERN YOU? IT'S GREAT TO BE ALIVE AND FREE, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE GUY ACROSS THE SEA, HE'S GIVING UP HIS LIFE FOR ME, SO I CAN LIVE UNDER LIBERTY. HE'S FAR AWAY FIGHTING A WAR, INSTEAD OF FIGHTING AT MY FRONT DOOR.

THIS GUY WHO LIVES IN FILTH AND SLIME. HOW CAN HE DO IT ALL THE TIME? HE'S ABOUT MY AGE SO WHY SHOULD HE CARE, ABOUT A WAR SOMEONE ELSE SHOULD SHARE. YOU CALL HIM VILE NAMES AND MAKE FUN OF HIS CAUSE, YET HE IS ALWAYS FIRST TO WIN YOUR WAR. YOU LUCKY GUY, YOU LAUGH AND SNEER, BECAUSE YOU'VE NEVER REALLY KNOWN FEAR. THIS YOUNG MAN FACES DEATH EACH DAY, BUT HE'S ALWAYS GOT SOMETHING FUNNY TO SAY. NO MAIL AGAIN, AGAIN A TWINGE OF SORROW, OH WHAT THE HELL THEIR ALWAYS TOMORROW. THE MORALE IS LOW THE TENSION IS HIGH, SOME EVEN BREAK DOWN AND CRY.

HE WANTS TO GO HOME AND SEE A LOVED ONE. HE WORKS ALL DAY AND STANDS GUARD ALL NIGHT. HE'S TIRED AND SICK BUT CONTINUES TO FIGHT, THE COLLEGE CROWD THINKS HE'S A FOOL, BUT THAT'S WHAT MAKES HIM HARD AND CRUEL. YOU DON'T APPRECIATE WHAT HE WILL DO, LIKE GIVING UP HIS LIFE FOR YOU. HE SACRIFICES MUCH YET HR ASK NOTHING IN RETURN, JUST SO THAT YOU CAN STAY SCHOOL AND LEARN. HE BELIEVES IN FREEDOM AND AMERICAN LIFE, NO PARTIES AND DANCES FOR THIS YOUNG MAN, UNTIL HE COMES HOME AGAIN.

THE DAYS ARE HOT AND THE NIGHTS ARE TOO, WHAT WONDERS A COLD CAN OF BEER CAN DO! HE DREAMS OF COLD BEER AND A THICK JUICY STEAK, WHEN SOMEONE SHOUTS, WE'VE GOT A HILL TO TAKE. SOME WILL BE HEROES BECAUSE THEY ARE BRAVE, AND OTHERS WILL GET A WREATH ON THEIR GRAVE. YOU'LL RECOGNIZE HIM AS HE WALKS BY, THERE'S A SADDENED LOOK IN HIS EYE, HE WALKS SO PROUD YET LOOKS SO MEAN, HE'S CALLED THE WORLD'S GREATEST FIGHTING MACHINE. NO WONDER HE'S PROUD, HE'S A UNITED STATES MARINE!
 
My favorite Poet, Marine and Shinnob, Jim Northrup, speaks of war. I wish there were more published videos.

I hope one day it will become obsolete.


 
Righties LOVE War! None of us need to go back very far at all to recall how they were so GungHo and so glorifying of the Bush/Cheney War on Iraq!!!
 
What the hell is it good for.

Some cheer it, as if it's no more than a Sunday afternoon John Wayne movie, or a football game. They are completely detached from the reality of war, and for good reason. Most cheerleaders have never been in a war, so they have no idea what it entails.

There was a poem, I read many years ago, by a 21 year old Lance Cpl Lester Atherden, who died 4 March, 1966 in Quang Ngai. Here is his poem. There are errors in the body of the poem, but just ignore them. I made fun of Marines, but I respected them. My fellow classmates who enlisted as well as my cousins, and I weep for all those who died.

FROM MARINE LESTER ROBERT ATHERDEN:

WHO IS HE? YOU SIT AT HOME AND WATCH YOUR TV SIPPING A REFRESHING COLD ICED TEA, THE NEWS COMES ON AND THEN YOU HERE, THE ALL-STAR GAME IS DRAWING NEAR, THEN YOU SEE A FAR OFF LAND, WHERE MEN ARE DYING IN THE SAND, A FROWN APPEARS ACROSS YOUR FACE, YOU'RE TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT THIS PLACE.

WHO CARES ABOUT VIETNAM ACROSS THE SEA, IT'S FAR AWAY AND DOESN'T CONCERN ME, YOU'D RATHER HEAR THE BEATLES PLAY, THAN LEARN ABOUT THE WORLD TODAY, BUT STOP AND THINK A MOMENT OR TWO, AND ASK YOURSELF,DOES THIS CONCERN YOU? IT'S GREAT TO BE ALIVE AND FREE, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE GUY ACROSS THE SEA, HE'S GIVING UP HIS LIFE FOR ME, SO I CAN LIVE UNDER LIBERTY. HE'S FAR AWAY FIGHTING A WAR, INSTEAD OF FIGHTING AT MY FRONT DOOR.

THIS GUY WHO LIVES IN FILTH AND SLIME. HOW CAN HE DO IT ALL THE TIME? HE'S ABOUT MY AGE SO WHY SHOULD HE CARE, ABOUT A WAR SOMEONE ELSE SHOULD SHARE. YOU CALL HIM VILE NAMES AND MAKE FUN OF HIS CAUSE, YET HE IS ALWAYS FIRST TO WIN YOUR WAR. YOU LUCKY GUY, YOU LAUGH AND SNEER, BECAUSE YOU'VE NEVER REALLY KNOWN FEAR. THIS YOUNG MAN FACES DEATH EACH DAY, BUT HE'S ALWAYS GOT SOMETHING FUNNY TO SAY. NO MAIL AGAIN, AGAIN A TWINGE OF SORROW, OH WHAT THE HELL THEIR ALWAYS TOMORROW. THE MORALE IS LOW THE TENSION IS HIGH, SOME EVEN BREAK DOWN AND CRY.

HE WANTS TO GO HOME AND SEE A LOVED ONE. HE WORKS ALL DAY AND STANDS GUARD ALL NIGHT. HE'S TIRED AND SICK BUT CONTINUES TO FIGHT, THE COLLEGE CROWD THINKS HE'S A FOOL, BUT THAT'S WHAT MAKES HIM HARD AND CRUEL. YOU DON'T APPRECIATE WHAT HE WILL DO, LIKE GIVING UP HIS LIFE FOR YOU. HE SACRIFICES MUCH YET HR ASK NOTHING IN RETURN, JUST SO THAT YOU CAN STAY SCHOOL AND LEARN. HE BELIEVES IN FREEDOM AND AMERICAN LIFE, NO PARTIES AND DANCES FOR THIS YOUNG MAN, UNTIL HE COMES HOME AGAIN.

THE DAYS ARE HOT AND THE NIGHTS ARE TOO, WHAT WONDERS A COLD CAN OF BEER CAN DO! HE DREAMS OF COLD BEER AND A THICK JUICY STEAK, WHEN SOMEONE SHOUTS, WE'VE GOT A HILL TO TAKE. SOME WILL BE HEROES BECAUSE THEY ARE BRAVE, AND OTHERS WILL GET A WREATH ON THEIR GRAVE. YOU'LL RECOGNIZE HIM AS HE WALKS BY, THERE'S A SADDENED LOOK IN HIS EYE, HE WALKS SO PROUD YET LOOKS SO MEAN, HE'S CALLED THE WORLD'S GREATEST FIGHTING MACHINE. NO WONDER HE'S PROUD, HE'S A UNITED STATES MARINE!


Anthem for Doomed Youth

Owen, Wilfred (1893 - 1918)

What passing-bells for these who die as cattle?
Only the monstrous anger of the guns.
Only the stuttering rifles' rapid rattle
Can patter out their hasty orisons.
No mockeries now for them; no prayers nor bells,
Nor any voice of mourning save the choirs,--
The shrill, demented choirs of wailing shells;
And bugles calling for them from sad shires.
What candles may be held to speed them all?
Not in the hands of boys, but in their eyes
Shall shine the holy glimmers of goodbyes.
The pallor of girls' brows shall be their pall;
Their flowers the tenderness of patient minds,
And each slow dusk a drawing-down of blinds.
 
Anthem for Doomed Youth

Owen, Wilfred (1893 - 1918)

What passing-bells for these who die as cattle?
Only the monstrous anger of the guns.
Only the stuttering rifles' rapid rattle
Can patter out their hasty orisons.
No mockeries now for them; no prayers nor bells,
Nor any voice of mourning save the choirs,--
The shrill, demented choirs of wailing shells;
And bugles calling for them from sad shires.
What candles may be held to speed them all?
Not in the hands of boys, but in their eyes
Shall shine the holy glimmers of goodbyes.
The pallor of girls' brows shall be their pall;
Their flowers the tenderness of patient minds,
And each slow dusk a drawing-down of blinds.

And should be played to a sad refrain.



 
And should be played to a sad refrain.




And yet this is what they sang


A Scotsman was bought on a stretcher to the field hospital horribly wounded.

'Patch me up, I've go to get back to the front' he tells the surgeon .......the surgeon says 'but, you've got 30 wounds, I can't just patch you up, you can't go back, why do you want to go back?'

The Scotsman insisted and the Doc was dumfounded because of the soldiers 30 terrible wounds he just couldn't understand ................... the argument carries on for a bit ...

In the end Doc - 'But why do you want to go back?'
Soldier - 'Because I think I know the bugger who did it!'

And so were the jokes they told .............

http://pietistschoolman.com/2012/02/28/wwi-in-classical-music/
 
I'm no fan of war.

I do realize, however, that sometimes the alternatives are worse.

If not for war, my country might still be beholden to a European Monarchy.

If not for war, people of my color might still be held in slavery.

If not for war, the free world might be under the banner of the swastika, and not free at all.

War is always bad? Tell that to the Jews who were liberated from the concentration camps. Tell it to the South Koreans, who don't have to take orders from the madman that their neighbors to the north do.

For those who have to fight the wars, there is no question that war is hell. I, for one, am thankful for those who fight and have fought, so that we can be free.
 
I'm no fan of war.

I do realize, however, that sometimes the alternatives are worse.

If not for war, my country might still be beholden to a European Monarchy.

If not for war, people of my color might still be held in slavery.

If not for war, the free world might be under the banner of the swastika, and not free at all.

War is always bad? Tell that to the Jews who were liberated from the concentration camps. Tell it to the South Koreans, who don't have to take orders from the madman that their neighbors to the north do.

For those who have to fight the wars, there is no question that war is hell. I, for one, am thankful for those who fight and have fought, so that we can be free.


All Wars fought outside our own Lands are all and only for Empire = Bankers and co.

Fighting for others freedom is bull shit all wrapped up in propaganda for the masses.
 
In the past 100 years there has been a vast majority of wars they were Bsnkers and Stockholder Wars! Bullshitt Wars!

All Wars .....trace them all back and see who profited from both sides in them all .............. They are also totally unnatural, contrary to popular belief.
 
All Wars fought outside our own Lands are all and only for Empire = Bankers and co.

Fighting for others freedom is bull shit all wrapped up in propaganda for the masses.


Broad statements. Do you believe Europe would have been better off if the U.S. had stayed out of World War II?
 
Broad statements. Do you believe Europe would have been better off if the U.S. had stayed out of World War II?

Yes absolutely with out a shred of doubt. Yes ..................... :) Took me a long time to come to that belief but ............ yes sadly yes.

The War should never have been fought in the first place but if the US had not come in it would have been over long before it was and we would have had to make Peace ......Russia won it anyway. Britain lost everything as did the rest of Europe ................ Germany was no threat to either of us, Russia was and yet we chose to fight Germany ?

As you know I no longer believe any of our victors propaganda.
 
What the hell is it good for?

Indeed, one has only to look at the cheerleading chickenhawk neocons surrounding Bushie who never served a day in their pathetic lives to grasp the folly.

But to answer your question... absolutely NOTHIN'.

 
Indeed, one has only to look at the cheerleading chickenhawk neocons surrounding Bushie who never served a day in their pathetic lives to grasp the folly.

But to answer your question... absolutely NOTHIN'.



Bush made war. Obama makes war.

You'll condemn one and give the other a pass.


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So you'd be happier if Hitler had won?

Happy? Not exactly.... But ...... we should not have declared War on him ........he would not have taken any of Northern Europe. He was only interested in fighting Communists not us. immediatly he was freeing the parts of Germany locked in by Poland after failing to do it through diplomacy because of the War manipulators .....Roosevelt and co.
 
Happy? Not exactly.... But ...... we should not have declared War on him ........he would not have taken any of Northern Europe. He was only interested in fighting Communists not us. immediatly he was freeing the parts of Germany locked in by Poland after trying to do it through diplomacy.



Based on what?

You trust Hitler to do what he said he would? Chamberlain did, and ended up regretting it.

Hitler was also quite interested in killing as many Jews as he could get his hands on. Are you fine with that?
 
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