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You know how we know Biden won the debate?

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IndependentinWis

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All the GOP talking heads could talk about was Biden's smiling and laughing, not how well Ryan had done. If Ryan had won outright, they would have been bragging about it, but all you hear is them trying to change the subject to Biden's reaction to the sometime outright lies of Ryan.
 
IndependentinWis said:
All the GOP talking heads could talk about was Biden's smiling and laughing, not how well Ryan had done. If Ryan had won outright, they would have been bragging about it, but all you hear is them trying to change the subject to Biden's reaction to the sometime outright lies of Ryan.
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Karl Rove said,"Biden was on Joker Juice." That was trying to deflect the gulping that Ryan did. Joe did not take one drink. No dry,lying mouth there!:eek:) I have to wonder if Paul ran right off to the bath room,Gotta go pee!
 
Now if only you'd apply that standard to PJ posts in which all lefty does is ridicule "Rmoney" and "Eddie Munster" - forever abandoning any semblance of substantive citation of Obama's merits.

But then it woldn't be PJ if rank hypocrisy didn't smack us in the face with every click of a post. :)
 
Yep. On matters of substance,and there were a lot of them last night,Ryan got schooled. He was stuck on vague campaign talking points and sounded like he was reading a stump speech or a 60 second commercial script.
 
well, they're use to lying and not being challenged. Like bullies, they hate the sight of their own blood
 
That's a good discussion topic. So tell me, what plans did Biden put forth from the Obama administration to fix the debt and get people working?
 
IndependentinWis said:
All the GOP talking heads could talk about was Biden's smiling and laughing, not how well Ryan had done. If Ryan had won outright, they would have been bragging about it, but all you hear is them trying to change the subject to Biden's reaction to the sometime outright lies of Ryan.
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The one glaring flaw in that libby "logic", (for lack of a better word), is that IF you want to look at it in that manner you should also accept it if a con came on here with something like THIS;

You know how we know Biden won the debate?

All the DIM talking heads could talk about was Ryan drank more water, not how well Biden had done. If Biden had won outright, they would have been bragging about it, but all you hear is them trying to change the subject to Ryan's consumption of more water than Biden.


Something I suspect YOU would take issue with.............Know what I mean, hoss?
 
Yes, and they're calling that "smile" a smirk, not the incredulous smile that it was.

For those who don't know what an incredulous smile is:

in·cred·u·lous
   [in-krej-uh-luhs] Show IPA

adjective
1.
not credulous; disinclined or indisposed to believe; skeptical.

2.
indicating or showing unbelief: an incredulous smile.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/incredulous



Sorry to keep repeating it, but it's not like we don't see a repeat of BS here daily.
 
The subliminal messaging Biden communicated was Ryan is a liar.

This was made most clear when Ryan failed to provide the specifics of how much Romney's tax plan would cost and how it would be paid for.

Romney stipulated in the first debate that his tax plan would:

1. not lower taxes for the rich

2. not increase the federal deficit

3. not require any increase in taxes for anyone

Shouldn't such a miracle plan be easy to pencil out? During the Obama/Romney debate, Romney offered this proof of the soundness of his 20% across the board tax cut plan:

"MR. ROMNEY: So — so if — if the tax plan he described were a tax plan I was asked to support, I'd say absolutely not. I'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. What I've said is I won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. That's part one. So there's no economist can say Mitt Romney's tax plan adds 5 trillion (dollars) if I say I will not add to the deficit with my tax plan.

Number two, I will not reduce the share paid by high-income individuals. I — I know that you and your running mate keep saying that, and I know it's a popular things to say with a lot of people, but it's just not the case. Look, I got five boys. I'm used to people saying something that's not always true, but just keep on repeating it and ultimately hoping I'll believe it — (scattered laughter) — but that — that is not the case, all right? I will not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans.

And number three, I will not, under any circumstances, raise taxes on middle-income families. I will lower taxes on middle-income families. Now, you cite a study. There are six other studies that looked at the study you describe and say it's completely wrong. I saw a study that came out today that said you're going to raise taxes by 3(,000 dollars) to $4,000 on — on middle-income families. There are all these studies out there."

http://www.npr.org/2012/10/03/162258551/transcript-first-obama-romney-presidential-debate

To sum up Romney's arguments defending his tax plan: his plan won't lower taxes for the rich, add to the deficit or raise taxes on the middle class because Romney says so.
 
Yep, i'm hoping that Obama will laugh out loud at Willard next debate every time he tells a lie.
 
Unfortunately,in last night's debate the questions didn't really allow either candidate to get specific about jobs creation. There was one point,early in the debate I think,where it looked like they were gonna get there but it didn't happen. The last question about what they bring that's unique personally was wasted time. A pointed question about jobs creation or something else woulda been better.

Do you really wanna talk about "Fix the debt" or fix the deficit?
 
I wanted to know, since you felt that Biden schooled Ryan on substance, a little of what that substance was. All I heard was a defense of the Obama administration's actions, and attacks on the administration's spin on Romney's proposals.

Other than that, I don't see how Biden schooled anyone on anything.
 
Colorforms said:
I wanted to know, since you felt that Biden schooled Ryan on substance, a little of what that substance was. All I heard was a defense of the Obama administration's actions, and attacks on the administration's spin on Romney's proposals.

Other than that, I don't see how Biden schooled anyone on anything.
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Welll since the "substance" of the RyanRomney campaign ahs been FALSE attacks on the Obama Admin's actions and hollow proposals that don't work... That's pretty much schooling.

As for what the Obama administration would do differently? that's not the quesiton. The first principle is FIRST DO NO HARM... and the Ryan/romney proposals ALL WOULD DO HARM... and there is no good that they do. Even the report released by the GOP controlled Congressional Research Service, merely a month ago, concludes that tax cuts have no influence ont economic growth.
 
Really? All you read is posts that ridicule Romney? I guess you have not read any of my posts on Romney's tax plans or his 47% comment or his claim that he'd balance the budget?
 
UPNYA2 said:
The one glaring flaw in that libby "logic", (for lack of a better word), is that IF you want to look at it in that manner you should also accept it if a con came on here with something like THIS;

You know how we know Biden won the debate?

All the DIM talking heads could talk about was Ryan drank more water, not how well Biden had done. If Biden had won outright, they would have been bragging about it, but all you hear is them trying to change the subject to Ryan's consumption of more water than Biden.


Something I suspect YOU would take issue with.............Know what I mean, hoss?
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Actually if all the Dem talking heads had to say was how Biden drank more water then it WOULD signal to me that the talking heads thought Biden had lost.... because it meant they were desperate to find something, anything, to give him credit for.
 
Ryan claimed that the Iranians have enough enriched uranium to build five bombs. Biden pointed out that is not true. Ryan said that the only reason the tougher sanctions were put into place was because of republicans in congress, Biden pointed out that wasn't true as well....and he pointed out that Romney stated that the sanctions were working....the sanctions had nothing at all to do with the sanctions.....Find any legislation related to sanctions against Iran. It seems Ryan is unaware of the fact that the president is responsible for foreign policy, not congress. Ryan seemed to say that because we'd drawn down the 30,000 surge troops that Afghanistan has now become more dangerous, Biden pointed out that more Afghan troops are taking responsibility for areas where US troops have left.


Yes, I'd say Ryan lost....
 
I've been listening to a number of different accounts of the debate for the last two hours and have yet to hear anyone on MSNBC or CNN mention Ryan's drinking.
 
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