About them doggone drones.

[zzigzzag]

In other words, our government can kill any U.S. citizen at any time, based on nothing more than a belief.

Is it a "belief" when they make videos stating clearly that their life goal is to kill Americans for al Qaeda?

I'd call in drones. You'd call in Johnny Cochran.

 

[Zam-Zam]

In other words, our government can kill any U.S. citizen at any time, based on nothing more than a belief.

Is it a "belief" when they make videos stating clearly that their life goal is to kill Americans for al Qaeda?

I'd call in drones. You'd call in Johnny Cochran.

You want to kill people for making bad videos?

 

[Queen Titania]

It really does seems as though you have an uncontrollable addiction to the blood of indigenous peoples doesn't it ?

We can't all be compassionate imperialists like the Brits have always been....so caring for the "indigenous peoples" as they stole their land and beat Christianity into them.

I do not deny or hide from the truths of History nor do I deny the British Governments, with its Arms dealing PM, complicity in the heaping of horrors and misery on innocents in the present for Corperate

In context of the times of true Empire though, we were not the worst offenders against 'God'.

It is in the nature of man to be in danger of loosing sensibilities in the face of brutality

 

[middleview]

This is what is being objected to;

A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S.
In other words, our government can kill any U.S. citizen at any time, based on nothing more than a belief.

The key phrase is "active plot". If they've been involved in plots, as Awlaki was, why wouldn't we assume they were going to be involved in more plots? If they were calling themselves "Regional Commander" of Al Qaeda and calling for others to join in armed attacks on Americans...what other evidence do we need?

You seem to miss that if you join an organization that is party to hostilities against the US, you have lost your citizenship....that is in the US code. It isn't subject to a court proceeding, the state department alone can revoke your citizenship, as it did with a number of US citizens who joined the German army in WWII.

Due process stops at the water's edge. You do not have constitutional rights when you are engaged in combat against the US from a foreign country.

 

[Queen Titania]

Right...it doesn't have anything to do with Al Qaeda leadership....it is all about mineral deposits in Pakistan....You should take this on the road. You are one funny, funny honey....We like to kill people who have never heard of America (in which case, how would they have been a barrier to US corporations?)....We only elect people who love to kill foreigners....

You present fights are with local Tribal peoples who your Gov tells you are all The Monster ........Oh simplicity simplicity .............. Fairy stories to keep the children complicit.

 

[middleview]

it's the rock salt....stuff works great for cleaning out wine decanters.....

 

[Queen Titania]

Tribal Families???.....What the Fvck?.....No doubt innocents have been killed...They are Not the Targets....The Drone Attacks have been effective in taking out lots of Taliban and Al Queada thugs ...Many Tribal families will applaud that...You can be assured

What terrorists ? None of any danger to you. Maybe mini ones but even that is questionable ........

http://livingunderdrones.org/download-report/

 

[zzigzzag]

You want to call an overt threat a "bad video"? Clever. Reeeeeeeeeeally clever.

If someone tells me they're about to hurt me, I'm going to hurt them first. I'll worry about my right to breathe first and their first amendment rights later. If they're threatening me from Yemen, I'll worry less about their rights.

 

[Queen Titania]

it's the rock salt....stuff works great for cleaning out wine decanters.....

Just a few, really only a few of a long long list, of Obomas victims

date: name, age, nationality
2009-01-23: Azaz-ur-Rehman, 14, Pakistani
2009-02-14: Noor Syed, 8, Pakistani
2009-08-11: Ibad Ullah, teenager, Pakistani
2009-08-11: Mohammad Arif, teenager, Pakistani
2009-08-11: Abdul Qadeer, teenager, Pakistani
2009-08-11: Hazrat Ali, teenager, Pakistani
2009-08-21: Syed Wali Shah, 7, Pakistani
2009-08-21: Naeemullah,?, Pakistani
2009-08-21: Faizullah,?, Pakistani
2009-08-21: Rahima,?, Pakistani
2009-08-21: Shaista,?, Pakistani
2009-11-20: Sakeenullah, 15, Pakistani
2009-12-31: Zaenullah Khan, 17, Pakistani
2009-12-17: Nasser Mohammed Nasser, 6, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Arwa Mohammed Nasser, 4, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Fatima Mohammed Nasser, 2, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Afrah Ali Mohammed Nasser, 9, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Zayda Ali Mohammed Nasser, 7, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Hoda Ali Mohammed Nasser, 5, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Sheikha Ali Mohammed Nasser, 4, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Asmaa Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye, 9, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Salma Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye, 4, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Fatima Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye, 3, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Khadije Ali Mokbel Louqye, 1, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Hanaa Ali Mokbel Louqye, 6, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Mohammed Ali Mokbel Salem Louqye, 4, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Jawass Mokbel Salem Louqye, 15, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Sheikha Nasser Mahdi Ahmad Bouh, 3, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Soumaya Mohammed Saleh Mohammed, 9, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Shafika Mohammed Saleh Mohammed, 4, Yemeni
2009-12-17: Shafiq Mohammed Saleh Mohammed, 2, Yemeni
2010-01-03: Wajid Noor, 9, Pakistani
2010-01-08: Ayeesha, 3, Pakistani
2010-02-24: Naila, 10, Pakistani
2010-05-21: Fatima, ?, Pakistani
2010-05-21: Nisar, ?, Pakistani
2010-05-21: Naeem Khan, ?, Pakistani
2010-10-18: Naeem Ullah, 10, Pakistani
2011-06-15: Shahzada, ?, Pakistani
2011-10-14: Abdel-Rahman Anwar al-Awlaki, 16, American
2011-10-14: Ahmed Abdel-Rahman al-Awlaki, 17, Yemeni
2011-10-31: Tariq Aziz, 16, Pakistani
2011-10-31: Waheed, ?, Pakistani
2012-08-21: Osama Haqqani, 13, Pakistani
2012-09-02: Mabrook Mouqbal Al Qadari, 13, Yemeni
2012-09-02: Daolah Nasser, 10, Yemeni
2012-09-02: AbedalGhani Mohammed Mabkhout, 12, Yemeni

 

[Zam-Zam]

You want to call an overt threat a "bad video"? Clever. Reeeeeeeeeeally clever.

If someone tells me they're about to hurt me, I'm going to hurt them first. I'll worry about my right to breathe first and their first amendment rights later. If they're threatening me from Yemen, I'll worry less about their rights.

North Korea recently made a video showing a missile attack on New York City. Should we attack them with drones?

 

[Queen Titania]

You want to call an overt threat a "bad video"? Clever. Reeeeeeeeeeally clever.

If someone tells me they're about to hurt me, I'm going to hurt them first. I'll worry about my right to breathe first and their first amendment rights later. If they're threatening me from Yemen, I'll worry less about their rights.

The USA did nothing but criticize Britain in Ireland, whilst behind our backs sending money and bomb equipment and guns to the IRA ......................for all those years we lived with your/their bombs did we drop bombs on them ?

You blame a handful of Saudis for an attack on your Land and in retaliation you attack, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, Libya .................... ? You kidnap people off the streets of their Lands all over the World, including my own country, you torture them and lock them in cages .............How many secret prisons/torture chambers does Oboma have all over the Planet ?

 

[NightSwimmer]

North Korea recently made a video showing a missile attack on New York City. Should we attack them with drones?

How many times have we been attacked by North Korea?

How many times have we been attacked by Al Qaeda?

 

[Queen Titania]

How many times have we been attacked by North Korea?

How many times have we been attacked by Al Qaeda?

And you are so innocent never attacked any one ..........aaaaahhhhh

USA is a 'Rogue State' it is only you who is 'at War' dragging ever else into Hell with you ...............

 

[NightSwimmer]

And you are so innocent never attacked any one ..........aaaaahhhhh

You're right, Queenie. The United States has never engaged in making war. That is all just an illusion created by the MSM to fool the people into fearing us. It's worked pretty well so far, wouldn't you say?


BTW: When are you going have your chips implanted? It has to be done by 2016.

 

[zzigzzag]

Those are al Qaeda's victims. They put them in harm's way on purpose. They've also been known to be the ones who killed the bodies they display for the cameras. Ever heard the phrase, "Don't shit where you eat"?

 

[Queen Titania]

You're right, Queenie. The United States has never engaged in making war. That is all just an illusion created by the MSM to fool the people into fearing us. It's worked pretty well so far, wouldn't you say?


BTW: When are you going have your chips implanted? It has to be done by 2016.

My three had to be chipped for their passports to bring them home, I bought them home with me from Het Belg. Their babies were chipped too, when they were about 4-5 mths.

Only Sunny left now Knight and it would be a wonder if my last darling standing makes it 2016 anyway.

And she can only just wobble around the garden and next door for a cuppa now a days, I don't see her running away and getting lost ............ I can't leave her for a minute old sweety aaaaahhhh

 

[zzigzzag]

Did they say, "We intend to attack NYC with missiles"?

You're grasping at straws. Soon, you'll be building something familiar with them.

 

[Queen Titania]

Those are al Qaeda's victims. They put them in harm's way on purpose. They've also been known to be the ones who killed the bodies they display for the cameras. Ever heard the phrase, "Don't shit where you eat"?

Dear God, must we say 'forgive them they know not what they do' ..we can't keep saying it because you have the truth under your noses ..............there are no more excuses.

 

[zzigzzag]

How many secret prisons/torture chambers does Oboma have all over the Planet ?

You mean the ones he ordered to be closed as soon as he was sworn in? At least blame the correct President for them.

 

[Queen Titania]

We all agree Adam Lanza committed a truly horrendous act of savagery in Newtown, Conn. Was it any worse than.....this?:


The Sandy Hook Elementary shooting that took place in Newtown, Connecticut, is going to affect the loved ones of the victims for years to come and this is something that should not be ignored.

Although most of us do not know the victims or their families, the news reports each and every detail of the event, and our hearts and thoughts go out to those who are suffering.

Yet, something about this seems entirely hypocritical; we as Americans largely ignore when our own government, in countries around the world, murders innocent children but when an American child dies, our media and our nation can focus on nothing else.

Meanwhile, U.S. drones are killing children and terrorizing families abroad. Earlier this year, the Bureau of Investigative Journalism found that 176 children have been murdered in Pakistan alone. And along with drone attacks, an average of 4.8 children are killed per day in Afghanistan where earlier this year, a U.S. sergeant is reported to have killed 9 children. Will these murders be deemed worthy of our thoughts and prayers, or even our news headlines?

These deaths abroad are tragic too. These deaths will also affect the loved ones of victims for years to come and their lives are no less-worthy of thoughts, prayers and government (or civilian) action.

Some will disagree with me and say that we should care about the deaths of children in the U.S. to a greater extent than the deaths of those abroad, because children living here are part of our nation. But most of us don't know the loved ones of the deceased in Connecticut any better than we know deceased in other countries. With all men (and children) created equal, we as Americans should care when any child is killed, not just the ones who happen to be born in a certain geographical region called the United States.





Complete text: http://www.policymic.com/articles/2...es-have-killed-176-children-in-pakistan-alone

My mother was a Londoner, she knew what it was to have bombs raining down never knowing if it would be her. My Grand mother remembered the Buzz Bombs ( first Drones ) of the first World War but both women, more especially my Ma felt for the women being bombed by us. All those men and women who knew War are leaving us too it now ...........are they taking empathy with them ?
It is normal for us to have stronger feelings for our own but to have none at all for others leaves us absolutely destitute and without hope.
The Government is as much of a danger to it's people as it is it's enemies people, it shows it's true character in its treatment of it's weakened, it's enemies and within its prisons.