About them doggone drones.

[gabriel]

Gabe, most Americans, unlike some Canadians, consider it honorable to protect our citizens from any preventable harm. If some innocent people die in the process then so be it. For instance, if my neighbor across the street has shot a member of my family and is still sniping at others then I will take him out by any means possible. If his wife and kids are in the house when I blow it up then that is a sad thing. They either should have stopped him or got out of the house.

I am proud that my government is taking the route of protecting its citizens and not being hampered by the means of doing so. Let those who want to hide behind our constitution realize that it is for Americans citizens and that a traitor is not considered an American.

ends justify means!! america finally owns up to its immorality!!

 

[gabriel]

I never said they've only hit the guilty. I've said that no one's made any effort to prove they've targetted an innocent.. That's somewhat dispositive in that it's reasonable to assume that if they had such evidence, they'd present it.

and far be it from an ostrich like yourself to investigate on your own!! it worked so well keeping the american sheeple pacified during vietnam so why not see if it willo work again, eh?? lol

 

[gabriel]

Well let's see who is getting droned shall we Gabby? Leaders of al Qeada, known enemies of the US. Leaders and troops of the Taliban, ditto. Thre US citizens living in a country hostile to the US and as religious leaders, encouraging their followers to "Kill the American dogs!". They weren't saying "Kill American soldiers" they were telling their follower to kill all Americans, young, old, men, women, children. If they were American these bastardos wanted them killed.

Living with the enemy and spewing his hatred of the country that gave you birth and its citizens is enough proof of guilt for me.

those evil little tykes!! lol

 

[RedCloud]

ends justify means!! america finally owns up to its immorality!!

Gabe, if you have designated me as All of America then beware. I might declare war on Canada, capture you, and waterboard your ass!

This is my way of saying that I'm an American--not America. I represent and speak for RedCloud only, but fervently hope that the majority of Americans agree with me.

 

[ARMCX1]

Where do you get your contention that the criteria for targeting is "secret"? I don't think that is accurate. The operations are secret until they've been accomplished, of course. We don't have public debates about specific, pending military strikes. But I do believe the administration is more than willing to tell you afterward who they targeted and why. They're not just taking out Republican voters, rich people and gun owners like they surely would if acting with confident impunity.

For years, Mr. Obama has stretched executive power to claim that the 2001 Congressional authorization to use military force against Al Qaeda gives him the unilateral authority to order people, including American citizens, killed away from any battlefield without judicial oversight or public accountability. He took a step in the right direction on Wednesday when he directed the Justice Department to give Congressional committees its classified legal advice on targeting Americans.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/07/opinion/drone-strikes-under-scrutiny.html?_r=0

 

[Queen Titania]

I never said they've only hit the guilty. I've said that no one's made any effort to prove they've targetted an innocent.. That's somewhat dispositive in that it's reasonable to assume that if they had such evidence, they'd present it.

I have been posting stuff for years on Slate and on here of people who have gone and found such proof.
The Medias of the Establishments are only just now beginning to pick it up over 7 years later. I say seven I knew of them, flying out of Europe, long before that.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-US-drone-says-Jemima-Khan.html#axzz2KMXoi6Zl


This I have posted so many times it is worn out and I know no one will read it ................

http://livingunderdrones.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Stanford-NYU-LIVING-UNDER-DRONES.pdf


But in the slight chance that you do and you would like to know more ....just whistle

 

[gabriel]

what country was that? saudi arabia??

 

[gabriel]

Gabe, if you have designated me as All of America then beware. I might declare war on Canada, capture you, and waterboard your ass!

This is my way of saying that I'm an American--not America. I represent and speak for RedCloud only, but fervently hope that the majority of Americans agree with me.

i am well aware you speak for yourself red. and im equally sure the majority of americans agree with you. it is to be expected in a one party state. but spare me your threats pal. it doesnt become you in the least.

 

[Queen Titania]

what country was that? saudi arabia??

It looks as though the Saudis' and USAs lovingly hand molded jahadis are turning on them. They are in trouble, all sorts of strange explosions and weird shit it going on in Saudi .......... Oboma-nation must be just a teezny winzny bit nervous ............... If even the people of Saudi loose their fear the insidious Empire will crumble and fall.

 

[Queen Titania]

i am well aware you speak for yourself red. and im equally sure the majority of americans agree with you. it is to be expected in a one party state. but spare me your threats pal. it doesnt become you in the least.

I know you are not, and I didn't think I could be, shocked by America nor Americans any more but the attitude toward Drones has shocked me terribly.

Few of those arguing against have anything to do with humanity, empathy, or even admitting we are talking of people............a murderous form of 'Racism' it seems is so intrenched in the place that the Oboma-nation doesn't even recognize it in themselves, 'wogs' and 'ragheads' don't count as people, nor subhuman nor even animals. I am more caring of insects than they are of their 'bug spats'.

The main US arguments against Drones it seems to me, as with Iraq,

( where more people are murdered still today, everyday, than a bad day in Syria.But that was an ooopps mistake so never mind, lets put it behind us and pretend it isn't there )

are legal arguments, detached arguments, about righteously 'getting away with genoside' and [Unwelcome language removed] the World .'We are right and we are doing it for your own good, we will build a Mall on the Taj Mahal, when we think up a good reason fro attacking India ..we are working on it te he he and then you will see what wonderful people we are !'

Evil is only within Man.


And yes, the threats, always the threats. After the insults and piss taking always the stupid, my dad is bigger than your dad, threats.

 

[Queen Titania]

Gabe, if you have designated me as All of America then beware. I might declare war on Canada, capture you, and waterboard your ass!

This is my way of saying that I'm an American--not America. I represent and speak for RedCloud only, but fervently hope that the majority of Americans agree with me.

Dickens was an Englishman as was DH Lawrence along with a list as long as your arm of British men and women who were/are indigenous to these Isles but speak loudly out against the faults of those who have and do rule over them as well as those who don't.

The most 'patriotic' of us are always those who love and criticize the ignorance and bigotry, hatred and greed and evil within,

 

[Queen Titania]

what country was that? saudi arabia??

'War is Gods way of teaching Americans geography' not very good students eh ? Oh well, they might get to right next time .................after the wrong turning No 77 perhaps , what you think ?




Ambrose Bierce

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrose_Bierce

 

[Queen Titania]

ends justify means!! america finally owns up to its immorality!!

'Hell is paved with good intentions', by seperating Church and State the State has been left Godless ?

 

[NightSwimmer]

Our dad is bigger.

That's what gets under you guy's skin so.

 

[Queen Titania]

Our dad is bigger.

That's what gets under you guy's skin so.

I might be hard to believe but, no it doesn't Knight. I have personally suffered brutality and bullying all my life ................... I just know you for what you are. I have never minded 'authority' in the hands of the wise. I have always railed against it in the hands of the ignorant the bigoted the cruel and the stupid and brutal.

In all I have said all you find to remark on and seem to care about is a throw away remark of mine about abusive bullying and all you have done is reiterate my throw away remark.

 

[ARMCX1]

I will suggest that at this point, the burden is on those wringing their hands over the fates of the droned, to bring forth exculpatory evidence as to someone who was wrongly droned.

And from my perspective anyway, it's not good enough to prove that the target's babe-in-arms was innocent. They need to prove that the TARGET was innocent. After all...the world kilt a whole lot more than a coupla innocents, when it went after the likes of Hitler and Tojo.

Killing civilians in drone strikes that don't fit the WH definition of a target undoubtedly happens. al-Qaeda fighter aren't considered civilians so the reports that refer to civilians aren't referring to al-Qaeda. Since the information is incomplete due to strike locations and also classified, it's impossible to know if a target was incorrectly identified and killed. Independent estimates from journalists puts the number of civilians killed at ~30% of all those killed in drone strikes.

What can be said about the 4 Americans killed by US drones is that at least one American killed was an unintended target according to accounts. This killing happened in 2002 in Yemen to a US citizen (Kamal Derwish) with alleged ties islamic fundamentalism and al-Qaeda.

Derwish's death has been described as unintended. This doesn't meet the definition of a wrongly identified target that was also killed. But if the claim surrounding Derwish's death is to believed, he was not a target.

Either that or an American citizen was killed before the legal justification for extrajudicially killing US citizens linked to al-Qaeda was known to have existed.

Interestingly, you can find contemporary accounts of US citizens killed by US drone strikes and the number is stated as 3 US citizens killed. It's the rare account that includes Derwish's 2002 death in the kill list.

 

[RedCloud]

i am well aware you speak for yourself red. and im equally sure the majority of americans agree with you. it is to be expected in a one party state. but spare me your threats pal. it doesnt become you in the least.

Just calm down, Gabe! I really have no intention of invading Canada (at this time), but if you hear a war-whoop you better watch your ass.

 

[zzigzzag]

He was born in Australia but raised in GB and was naturalized in the US in 1985 so that he could own TV stations here.

He didn't spend all that much of his life in Australia. He'll always be a Brit to me.

 

[Queen Titania]

He was born in Australia but raised in GB and was naturalized in the US in 1985 so that he could own TV stations here.

He didn't spend all that much of his life in Australia. He'll always be a Brit to me.

To me he will always be a Thatcher-ite which makes him an enemy of the Realm. A saboteur, We could and should and even might, in our dreams, do him for High Treason.

 

[NightSwimmer]

I might be hard to believe but, no it doesn't Knight. I have personally suffered brutality and bullying all my life ................... I just know you for what you are. I have never minded 'authority' in the hands of the wise. I have always railed against it in the hands of the ignorant the bigoted the cruel and the stupid and brutal.

In all I have said all you find to remark on and seem to care about is a throw away remark of mine about abusive bullying and all you have done is reiterate my throw away remark.

Every nation's government retains the right to resort to violence. It has always been thus. I'm confident that most of them wish that they didn't feel they have to. I think it used to be even worse than it is now. We did more killing, per capita, in past military adventures with more rudimentary weapons. Progress is slow, but maybe there's hope for the future.