Fake airstrikes?

[Queen Titania]

Really? So bombing the shit out of ISIS at Kobane was something that never happened?

For Turkey who are bombing the Kurds perhaps?

 

[Queen Titania]

Is there any confirmation Baghdadi is dead?
"Iran's Fars news agency said several Arabic-language media outlets in Iraq have quoted 'informed military sources' as saying al-Baghdadi had been killed and that no one in the convoy survived the attack. Reuters, however, cited hospital officials and Karabla residents as saying al-Baghdadi was not among the dead."
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ic-state-leaders-convoy/ar-AAfkRTg?li=AAa0dzB

He is a Mossad Agent so it is very doubtful, he is probably at home with his family in Israel and living under his real name.

 

[Queen Titania]

So the anti-Obama crowd are jumping on the Putin cheering squad and taking RT News as gospel...They are claiming that the US has not been attacking ISIS and that their week of strikes by 20 or so planes have ISIS on the run....Except that it was coalition strikes yesterday that killed Al-Baghdadi...the leader of ISIL...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ic-state-leaders-convoy/ar-AAfkRTg?li=AAa0dzB

Any wingers here willing to admit they were wrong?

Nothing that America has done, is doing or will do in the ME or anywhere else in the World is done for any 'good' reason but for the will and wants of Corporate and the profits of War.

It was is and always will be mindless miserable stupidity and terrible cruelty.

 

[justoffal]

How about the ones claiming we were supporting ISIS? Maybe the ones claiming that we really weren't conducting airstrikes?

It's too late middy.....the cat is out of the Bag and unfortunately your heros in DC left it up to a thug like Putin to expose them totally.

There is no other explanation for the abject failure of one year's worth of bombing raids being totally ineffective when four days worth of Russian Bombing raids were TOTALLY EFFECTIVE.....the only sane explanation is that the original raids were not actually done or they were carefully executed to avoid the stated goal.

I mean look at yourself....you are now grasping at straws seeking desperately to justify an entire year of total logistical failure that just does not make any sense. Or ...actually it does make sense when you consider the Ruse.

JO

 

[Deleted member 21794]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Obama_and_Biden_await_updates_on_bin_Laden.jpg

First off, it looks like he's sitting on an overturned 5 gallon bucket. Secondly, he looks positively grim. And thirdly, there's at least some indication he had to be forced into authorizing the kill:

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/29/obama-canceled-bin-laden-kill-raid-three-times-valerie-jarrett/

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2011/05/03/leon-panetta-not-obama-issued-order-to-kill-bin-laden/

http://nypost.com/2012/08/21/hill-swayed-o-to-kill-osama/

I've seen no body. Most of the SEALs from that raid were killed a few weeks later. Obama has a clearly documented history of lying his @ss off. I see no reason why people shouldn't be suspicious of any aspect of this raid. That said, I think he was pretty much forced into ordering the raid, was overly concerned about offending Muslims in handling the body and dumped it. I suspect. I certainly wouldn't go to bat for this story.

 

[justoffal]

A guy can hope...but the fact is that there were 24 strikes in one day. So much for the right wingers attempt to say there have been no strikes.

Yep 24 more phony, misdirected, misleading air strikes that do nothing but make Isis grow. Are you sure these are airstrikes or are they actually air drops instead??????...while in other news The Russians have conducted REAL ones that have decimated ISIS.

First drop a few bombs...then wait and drop ten boxes of guns and ammo....that way we can call it an airstrike! Need bodies? No problem there are plenty down there to choose from.

HMMMMMMM

 

[Deleted member 21794]

Wtf is this with you and Muslim savages? Muslims are not savages, Islam is the Religion of Peace, Jihad is in Islam a word used for the battle field only, Westernized Wahhabism misuses it. Wahhabis are NOT Islamic according to all of the Muslim World but Saudi whose religion and soldiers it is.

I will explain one more time.

The Wahhabis and Sauds are joined by blood, in a marriage early in Saudis History. The Wahhabis put the Sauds on the Throne, then turned on them, the Sauds massacred the Wahhabis in Mecca but kept their religion as a fanatical tool to rule and feed the peoples as an alternative to revolt, it later was used to combat the danger of Communism ( look into their schools all over the Islamic World and how they are funded) - when Roosevelt made the deal for exclusive rights to Saudi Oil ( birth of the Petro Dollar) it was on condition that America would not only leave Saudis religion alone but protect it --- in fact it has encouraged it for it makes a powerful proxi Army in Afghanistan, Chechnya, the ME and Africa.

ISIL = Wahhabi = US mercenary Army.

Wahhabi is NOT Islam it is more akin to the beliefs of the followers of the Talmud............ but that is another half told tale - told by a Saudi Scholar who languishes in a Saudi jail.

Madam, I have a lot of respect for you. And yes perhaps I paint with a broad brush sometimes. This part of the world has been problematic for many centuries. I am happy to say I agree in spirit with your views on our meddling. Furthermore, it appears you are better educated on the specifics of our meddling in the Middle East. I don't know that I would agree that ISIS is essentially a US mercenary force, but I do think they are an example of the savages I speak of. All this said, I essentially stand by my savage accusation. And I say that as someone who has Muslim friends who disagree vehemently with terrorism. And no, I probably would use a better brush if they were also on this forum. And in the end, given the time and perhaps some friendly drinks, I imagine we would find ourselves in much more agreement than it may appear in discussion in this format.

 

[Queen Titania]

Madam, I have a lot of respect for you. And yes perhaps I paint with a broad brush sometimes. This part of the world has been problematic for many centuries. I am happy to say I agree in spirit with your views on our meddling. Furthermore, it appears you are better educated on the specifics of our meddling in the Middle East. I don't know that I would agree that ISIS is essentially a US mercenary force, but I do think they are an example of the savages I speak of. All this said, I essentially stand by my savage accusation. And I say that as someone who has Muslim friends who disagree vehemently with terrorism. And no, I probably would use a better brush if they were also on this forum. And in the end, given the time and perhaps some friendly drinks, I imagine we would find ourselves in much more agreement than it may appear in discussion in this format.

If we had some drinks I would be under the table and snoring, I think I might have over done my quota in days past --- one or two and I am sure we would.

OK then, since I rather like clarity, from now on if you refer to The Muslim Savages I shall know you mean The Wahhabis and so also if I refer to The Christian Savages I shall be referring to all of the NATO countries involved ( Catholic Savages, CofE Savages, Protestant Savages ) who have a Church and if I refer to The Savages I shall be referring to America since it has no religion at all.

OK?

After the Ottoman Empire fell we all went a rapin' and a pillagin' and a plunderin' --- of course it is a mess, our mess.

 

[justoffal]

Wtf is this with you and Muslim savages? Muslims are not savages, Islam is the Religion of Peace, Jihad is in Islam a word used for the battle field only, Westernized Wahhabism misuses it. Wahhabis are NOT Islamic according to all of the Muslim World but Saudi whose religion and soldiers it is.

I will explain one more time.

The Wahhabis and Sauds are joined by blood, in a marriage early in Saudis History. The Wahhabis put the Sauds on the Throne, then turned on them, the Sauds massacred the Wahhabis in Mecca but kept their religion as a fanatical tool to rule and feed the peoples as an alternative to revolt, it later was used to combat the danger of Communism ( look into their schools all over the Islamic World and how they are funded) - when Roosevelt made the deal for exclusive rights to Saudi Oil ( birth of the Petro Dollar) it was on condition that America would not only leave Saudis religion alone but protect it --- in fact it has encouraged it for it makes a powerful proxi Army in Afghanistan, Chechnya, the ME and Africa.

ISIL = Wahhabi = US mercenary Army.

Wahhabi is NOT Islam it is more akin to the beliefs of the followers of the Talmud............ but that is another half told tale - told by a Saudi Scholar who languishes in a Saudi jail.

Well Queenie the fact is that the founder of that religion was a pedophilic, bloodthirsty maniac who probably had idiot savant talents for storytelling.

Now if you say that most of his cultural descendants do not follow his lead then I suppose you may have a point. Unfortunately, many of them do.

JO

 

[Queen Titania]

Well Queenie the fact is that the founder of that religion was a pedophilic, bloodthirsty maniac who probably had idiot savant talents for storytelling.

Now if you say that most of his cultural descendants do not follow his lead then I suppose you may have a point. Unfortunately, many of them do.

JO

The Q'aran is Myth as is the Bible -- the stories are not literal nor when they were written where they meant to be, The Q'aran was written as an intellectual philosophical answer to literal Christianity, both were written a long time ago and of a politics we no longer remember --- But, my God in our life time child brides were still legal in some US States.

And so says the Western Propaganda. We cannot deny our hand in keeping our own puppet dictators in power. We also have to take into consideration that many Muslims have been persuaded to circumcise ( genetically engineer) their boys at the second puberty one of the consequences of which can be a dull obsessive slave mentality --- a bit earlier or later in hormonal development the consequences are not so damaging.

If we had not interfered, if we had not wanted what they had -------- what then? We cannot know but we cannot deny our greed had a hand in the mess which is the ME.

I dislike Christianity as much as I dislike Islam as I am bored by them both but Islam is more honest and true to the Egyptian Mystery religion both came out of ---

 

[Lukey]

Madness ---- At least the Empires of old didn't lie to their people about what they were up too -------------

Haha! I bet there was plenty of lying going on back then, but with an absence of mass media, the lies were contained to just among the ruling elites.

 

[Queen Titania]

Haha! I bet there was plenty of lying going on back then, but with an absence of mass media, the lies were contained to just among the ruling elites.

The lying came under the same sort of guise --- as in bringing Civilization ( from whence it came, we came to understand once we were there ) --- but the plunder had rules of care attacked to it and occupation a promise, in writing, of returning the land at some point in better condition than it was found, ie Education systems, Railways, Legal Systems --- and such like.

That we were there to plunder was never hidden, that is Empire. But without Empires we would not have The Pyramids and so much inspirational development --- what has gone wrong is that --- I don't remember the whole list but the Romans had a list of importance in its Citizens, on the bottom of the list sat the Merchants, where are they now? At the top and that is the fault nd why we are topsy turvey --- we are because we are, up side down.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

So even with Bin Laden killed in a raid ordered by Obama and Baghdadi killed by forces sent to help Iraq...you still want to pretend that Obama has a soft spot in his heart for them? That is a lot of hate for Obama for you to haul around.

I guess you slept through the battle of Kobane.

The fact that you have to go straight to the "hate" card reveals an inability to have a meaningful, intelligent debate.

I would also diagnose that Obama is certainly not nearly as hard on extremist Muslims and ISIS as he should be. He won't even directly refer to them. Say what you will about Ronald Reagan's economic policies (I personally didn't care for them), but Reagan's foreign policy and strong stances inspired and unified the nation against the USSR. In this aspect, Obama couldn't hold Reagan's jock strap.

 

[Lukey]

The Q'aran is Myth as is the Bible -- the stories are not literal nor when they were written where they meant to be, The Q'aran was written as an intellectual philosophical answer to literal Christianity, both were written a long time ago and of a politics we no longer remember --- But, my God in our life time child brides were still legal in some US States.

And so says the Western Propaganda. We cannot deny our hand in keeping our own puppet dictators in power. We also have to take into consideration that many Muslims have been persuaded to circumcise ( genetically engineer) their boys at the second puberty one of the consequences of which can be a dull obsessive slave mentality --- a bit earlier or later in hormonal development the consequences are not so damaging.

If we had not interfered, if we had not wanted what they had -------- what then? We cannot know but we cannot deny our greed had a hand in the mess which is the ME.

I dislike Christianity as much as I dislike Islam as I am bored by them both but Islam is more honest and true to the Egyptian Mystery religion both came out of ---

Yes, organizing by religion is of no more benefit to the people than organizing by political or economic ideology. The idea that we all have to think and act the same way is anathema to freedom and liberty. The only way to "organize" anything is through markets and free association.

 

[Queen Titania]

It's too late middy.....the cat is out of the Bag and unfortunately your heros in DC left it up to a thug like Putin to expose them totally.

There is no other explanation for the abject failure of one year's worth of bombing raids being totally ineffective when four days worth of Russian Bombing raids were TOTALLY EFFECTIVE.....the only sane explanation is that the original raids were not actually done or they were carefully executed to avoid the stated goal.

I mean look at yourself....you are now grasping at straws seeking desperately to justify an entire year of total logistical failure that just does not make any sense. Or ...actually it does make sense when you consider the Ruse.

JO

Why do you call Putin a thug?

From what I have gathered it is only his genius which has kept Russia from Civil War --- I, so far, find him quite an extraordinarily reserved leader, on The World Stage, who doesn't act aggressively until all other options are impossible and then and only then he pulls out all of the stops.

 

[justoffal]

Why do you call Putin a thug?

From what I have gathered it is only his genius which has kept Russia from Civil War --- I, so far, find him quite an extraordinarily reserved leader, on The World Stage, who doesn't act aggressively until all other options are impossible and then and only then he pulls out all of the stops.

I do so to throw back in their faces what they themselves claim he is. I have been reassessing my opinion of him based on more accurate information that I am now receiving from news sources that do not depend on North America for their funding.

I tend to agree with you .... not only is he not the thug they claim he is he is also, apparently, an intuitive and highly intelligent international politico with enough leadership and
savvy to save and promote his country.

No wonder lefty hates him....they thought they had Russia in their pocket until Putin came along.

 

[Queen Titania]

Yes, organizing by religion is of no more benefit to the people than organizing by political or economic ideology. The idea that we all have to think and act the same way is anathema to freedom and liberty. The only way to "organize" anything is through markets and free association.

The Dogmas are a polito/religio mind control, Christians were usurpers of the Temples because the Romans could no longer hold the populous by the sword alone and the Teachers/Mystics and co were saying 'this is wrong' so they used as a base a mad literalist Christian cult's ( the story of how they came about is longish) beliefs that God was literal and so was Jesus/Mythras/Dionysus who the Romans amalgamated into one ( over time) gods and goddesses becoming saints and so on ( fairy stories in some countries) --- The Goddess becoming three minor player rather than one important part of the trio - God, Goddess,man god.

We sadly were forced into forming politico/religio alliances --- and so the confused troubles of modern man began

 

[Queen Titania]

I do so to throw back in their faces what they themselves claim he is. I have been reassessing my opinion of him based on more accurate information that I am now receiving from news sources that do not depend on North America for their funding.

I tend to agree with you .... not only is he not the thug they claim he is he is also, apparently, an intuitive and highly intelligent international politico with enough leadership and
savvy to save and promote his country.

No wonder lefty hates him....they thought they had Russia in their pocket until Putin came along.

He said I paraphrase 'love is what life is about' --- can you imagine any of our lot of two faced, backstabbing mad shit faces saying such a thing?

 

[justoffal]

The Q'aran is Myth as is the Bible -- the stories are not literal nor when they were written where they meant to be, The Q'aran was written as an intellectual philosophical answer to literal Christianity, both were written a long time ago and of a politics we no longer remember --- But, my God in our life time child brides were still legal in some US States.

And so says the Western Propaganda. We cannot deny our hand in keeping our own puppet dictators in power. We also have to take into consideration that many Muslims have been persuaded to circumcise ( genetically engineer) their boys at the second puberty one of the consequences of which can be a dull obsessive slave mentality --- a bit earlier or later in hormonal development the consequences are not so damaging.

If we had not interfered, if we had not wanted what they had -------- what then? We cannot know but we cannot deny our greed had a hand in the mess which is the ME.

I dislike Christianity as much as I dislike Islam as I am bored by them both but Islam is more honest and true to the Egyptian Mystery religion both came out of ---

I am not referring to either holy book but to secular history. It is a fairly well-established fact that Mohammed was a ruthless expansionist killer who would sooner behead an opponent as to look at him. There is no comparison whatsoever between he and the persona of Christ who was totally opposite in character.

Having said that I too have found that many Muslims are peaceful people and I know many....that does not eliminate the shadow of their non-toleratoin teaching however unless they themselves come forth openly and denounce it specifically.

 

[Queen Titania]

I am not referring to either holy book but to secular history. It is a fairly well-established fact that Mohammed was a ruthless expansionist killer who would sooner behead an opponent as to look at him. There is no comparison whatsoever between he and the persona of Christ who was totally opposite in character.

Having said that I too have found that many Muslims are peaceful people and I know many....that does not eliminate the shadow of their non-toleratoin teaching however unless they themselves come forth openly and denounce it specifically.

Did he even exist? Myth darling Myth. No Mohammed, No Moses, No Abraham, No Jesus, No Buddha --- Myth, stories to teach and or philosophize over, to mull over the meanings and lessons of the past.... but they bore me, give me the Gods of Old they are much more fun, the three generations.

We all did such things ----

Zoroastrianism is interesting I am sure it is the religion which came about with Civilization, asking all of the questions pertaining to living at peace with in a mixed society and urbanity and so on

The Sufis are also interesting -- I love all those little ones who found ways of escaping Inquisition.

Christianity is Jewish btw The Jewish Mystery Religion and very beautiful it was too at one time --- but now the two combined are Schizophrenic --- The Ethiopians still practiced the Old Jewish religion, they fled the Jewish Inquisition, which came just before the Christian ones, and lived in seclusion, they were recently forced to go to Israel and have been treated abominably and their religious beliefs obliterated, totally obliterated with out record.