Ohio botched execution

[Renee]

When is that?

Around the seventh month....if you are going to mention abortion after that, it doesn't happen legally with a healthy mother and fetus.

 

[Colorforms]

Maybe we should come to your house and watch executions and have a grand old time, nothing like killing to show killing is wrong

You still haven't explained how killing is wrong, but you seem to have your talking point and you're not afraid to repeat it. Although I did notice how quickly you ran from our conversation, just to jump into this one for a quick insult.

You are a good little liberal, I'm sure Barry would be proud.

You know what? You have a great idea. Let's take all of those violent murderers and rapists and end them. I'll buy the wine. However, if you feel sorry for them, I'm sure you and you family can grant them any last requests they may have.

 

[Caroljo]

Around the seventh month....if you are going to mention abortion after that, it doesn't happen legally with a healthy mother and fetus.

So Babies that live at about 5 1/2 months are not viable?


Tiny Baby Has Bright Future
Feb. 20, 2007


Amillia Sonja Taylor, born Oct. 24 after just less than 22 weeks in the womb, will spend a few extra days in the hospital as a precaution.

Amillia, now a relatively robust 4½ pounds, was about to be released from Baptist Children's Hospital in Florida, but today doctors unexpectedly decided to postpone her release.

A hospital spokeswoman told The Associated Press that she did not have details on why doctors had changed their minds about sending Amillia home.

On Monday, Amillia was between 25 and 26 inches long, doctors said. She was 9½ inches long and weighed 10 ounces at birth.

Amillia is the youngest surviving premature baby, born after just 21 weeks and six days in the womb.

The only known premature babies that have survived so young prior to her were all born at 23 weeks. The average pregnancy is between 37 weeks and 40 weeks long.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/Story?id=2888874&page=1

 

[Renee]

You still haven't explained how killing is wrong, but you seem to have your talking point and you're not afraid to repeat it. Although I did notice how quickly you ran from our conversation, just to jump into this one for a quick insult.

You are a good little liberal, I'm sure Barry would be proud.

You know what? You have a great idea. Let's take all of those violent murderers and rapists and end them. I'll buy the wine. However, if you feel sorry for them, I'm sure you and you family can grant them any last requests they may have.

If I have to explain that killing is wrong....then you're dumber than I thought. Yes, I am a good little liberal and yes "Barry" would be proud. You're a good little rightie and Fox News can boast another blood lusting macho boy.

 

[Renee]

So Babies that live at about 5 1/2 months are not viable?


Tiny Baby Has Bright Future
Feb. 20, 2007


Amillia Sonja Taylor, born Oct. 24 after just less than 22 weeks in the womb, will spend a few extra days in the hospital as a precaution.

Amillia, now a relatively robust 4½ pounds, was about to be released from Baptist Children's Hospital in Florida, but today doctors unexpectedly decided to postpone her release.

A hospital spokeswoman told The Associated Press that she did not have details on why doctors had changed their minds about sending Amillia home.

On Monday, Amillia was between 25 and 26 inches long, doctors said. She was 9½ inches long and weighed 10 ounces at birth.

Amillia is the youngest surviving premature baby, born after just 21 weeks and six days in the womb.

The only known premature babies that have survived so young prior to her were all born at 23 weeks. The average pregnancy is between 37 weeks and 40 weeks long.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/Story?id=2888874&page=1

You can bet she will have lots of health issues, but that aside that is so rare, it is like someone delivering a 20 pound baby and making it sound like it happens often.

 

[Colorforms]

If I have to explain that killing is wrong....then you're dumber than I thought. Yes, I am a good little liberal and yes "Barry" would be proud. You're a good little rightie and Fox News can boast another blood lusting macho boy.

Maybe you can explain to your sweetie, Barry, that killing is wrong. Maybe he'll quit executing people via drone. Naturally, I'm the bad guy though, because I believe that murderers and rapists shouldn't ever have the opportunity to rape and murder again.

It seems you're impervious to logic. But that comes part and parcel with being a liberal. Enjoy your delusions, and I hope you never have to defend anythi g you care about to the death, like your children. Because if they have to depend on you, they're screwed.

 

[Caroljo]

You can bet she will have lots of health issues, but that aside that is so rare, it is like someone delivering a 20 pound baby and making it sound like it happens often.

But it happens. And you don't know this child would have health problems. I worked with a guy that they have a very premature baby. I can't remember how far along she was, but you could hold that baby in one hand. That little boy was SMART. And he went on to college. YOU DON'T KNOW. You can bet all you want...doesn't mean your right. I don't care if it's rare.....if it's possible, then it doesn't matter how rare it is.

 

[connieb]

But it happens. And you don't know this child would have health problems. I worked with a guy that they have a very premature baby. I can't remember how far along she was, but you could hold that baby in one hand. That little boy was SMART. And he went on to college. YOU DON'T KNOW. You can bet all you want...doesn't mean your right. I don't care if it's rare.....if it's possible, then it doesn't matter how rare it is.

I think one day technology will get so that you don't even need the womb. Which will be an awesome step for women who have had to have hysterectomies but wanted more kids, or babies whose mothers need things like cancer treatments, etc.

 

[Colorforms]

But it happens. And you don't know this child would have health problems. I worked with a guy that they have a very premature baby. I can't remember how far along she was, but you could hold that baby in one hand. That little boy was SMART. And he went on to college. YOU DON'T KNOW. You can bet all you want...doesn't mean your right. I don't care if it's rare.....if it's possible, then it doesn't matter how rare it is.

According to Renee's explanation, a person on dialysis isn't human and is okay to kill.

 

[Caroljo]

I think one day technology will get so that you don't even need the womb. Which will be an awesome step for women who have had to have hysterectomies but wanted more kids, or babies whose mothers need things like cancer treatments, etc.

I think your right. I kind of struggle with this though....because of being a Christian, I don't know how "right" this is. Guess I wouldn't worry about it....maybe it's part of the plan . And maybe because I'm a little "old fashioned' and really don't know what God's plan is concerning this. It's an area that I've never looked into.....it's hard to let that kind of thing sink in.

 

[gigi]

IT's a horrible story. We ought not be killing anyone. But why, if they couldn't reverse the affects of the drugs, couldn't they have done something to end his suffering?

 

[gigi]

You are confused, I can help...

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithw...an-be-pro-life-and-support-the-death-penalty/

Question: "Why are Christians pro-life when it comes to abortion while at the same time in favor of the death penalty and supportive of war?"

Answer: The primary problem with this question is that it attempts to create a moral equivalency between abortion, the death penalty / capital punishment, and war. There is absolutely nothing equivalent about an innocent baby’s life being taken in the womb and a convicted murderer being executed. A baby in the womb has committed no crime. The death penalty should be, and in most cases is, employed only with the most evil of crimes. It was God who ordained the death penalty (Genesis 9:6), and it is God who gives governments the authority to enforce the death penalty (Romans 13:1-7). It is entirely consistent to believe that the life of an innocent baby in the womb should be protected while believing that the perpetuators of the most heinous of crimes should be executed.


Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/pro-life-war-death.html#ixzz2qihUjVvK

But that's only from the faith side of it. That's something you might not understand or support. So then there's this:

According to roughly a dozen recent studies, executions save lives. For each inmate put to death, the studies say, 3 to 18 murders are prevented.

The effect is most pronounced, according to some studies, in Texas and other states that execute condemned inmates relatively often and relatively quickly.

The studies, performed by economists in the past decade, compare the number of executions in different jurisdictions with homicide rates over time — while trying to eliminate the effects of crime rates, conviction rates and other factors — and say that murder rates tend to fall as executions rise. One influential study looked at 3,054 counties over two decades.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/us/18deter.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Glad I could help.

I don't believe we should have a death penalty, Dino. But I just wanted to add....the question you answered could and should also be...How does the person who is anti-torture and anti-death penalty but prochoice reconcile his or her conflicting views? Killing is killing.
Victims of waterboarding panic with the feeling that they're drowning. Victims of second and third trimester abortions ARE sometimes drowned when they don't die quickly enough. A couple handfuls of water across the nose and mouth.
And the description of how this man in this story writhed about sounds identical to what women who've had saline abortions describe as going on in their abdomens as their babies burn to death. But people so outraged by this man's suffering support the right and access to do these same things to unborn human beings. How they have the nerve to yell 'hypocrite' to anyone is stunning.

 

[IrishOne]

There is one thing that connects abortions with murder, including war fatalities. They all involve ending human life.

So, either you're Pro Life or You're not. Which is it, righties?

 

[Dino]

There is one thing that connects abortions with murder, including war fatalities. They all involve ending human life.

So, either you're Pro Life or You're not. Which is it, righties?

That's a logical miscalculation. "PRo-life" means supporting and sustaining innocent life. This occurs because the death penalty has been shown to save innocent lives.
Your pointed question seems rather odd from someone whose abortion stance could only be self-identified as pro-death.

Are you pro-death?

 

[IrishOne]

Any way you spin it Dino, you can't be for guns killing people AND saving "innocents".
Read the Bible. It says "Do NOT Kill" (Top Ten List). Same with most Christian tenets- are you a practicing Christian? I am a devote Catholic. Don't kill means don't kill.

 

[Dino]

Any way you spin it Dino, you can't be for guns killing people AND saving "innocents".
Read the Bible. It says "Do NOT Kill" (Top Ten List). Same with most Christian tenets- are you a practicing Christian? I am a devote Catholic. Don't kill means don't kill.

Now you're really off into the woods.

Do cons support "guns killing people" or do they support an American's right of self-defense? Your obvious bias is embarrassing, or at least it should be.

You dodged my question...do you happen to be a pro-choice Catholic? If so, how can you consider yourself anything but pro-death?