Philosophical Differences

[Craig]

Google doesn't say there are viruses on the site. And if Google really did block access to websites because of "virus's" there would be no porn on the internet.

It is just the way NSA Google censors content.

Yet the content is available for you to link to...and there is no shortage of blogs spouting the most radical or fringe ideas available. And you can speak of it here with absolutely no recourse. Amazing.

 

[trapdoor]

Can you provide some evidence for your claim? I suspect that you are overstating things. First, though it may be that the Federal government was not involved in the earliest efforts, I would be amazed if the individual states had no role. State government is still government. This is particularly true vis a vis laying track that is used by everyone. It is the same for canals, for roads, and for airports.

Now, it is true that governments - at least in the United States - do not run railroads (anymore than governments run taxi companies or airlines), they are largely responsible for building and maintaining the infrastructure and always have been.

I actually should have inserted "federal" before government, as quite a few railroads were either city or state endeavors. Many were also private businesses, and not all of those private businesses were failures -- so it does provide a working model for the non-governmental construction of roads (as asked for). A railroad is still a road.

Today, most railroad infrastructure is NOT governmental in nature. The government sets standards, and companies do the effort.

 

[jammer]

Wackybaccy, the words "One nation under God.." was not in the original pledge, in fact they weren't added until 1954 during the "Red scare" of the '50s. The Founding fathers never even had the pledge as it wasn't written until 1892. Some facts for you about the pledge:

1. It was written by a socialist! Francis Bellamy was a Christian socialist and believed in women's rights and equality for blacks, both of which weren't popular in the 1890's.

2. It was first published in a kid's magazine.

3. It was first recited at a Columbus Day celebration Oct. 12, 1892 and only has "I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.'

4. It wasn't adopted as the official pledge of loyalty to the flag until 1942, when it was adoptrd by Congress. Still didn't have "under God" in it.

5. In 1923 it was changed to read "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." Still no "under God".

6. The word "under God" were added only after the Knights of Columbus and other religious groups petitioned Congress for almost 4 years.
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So your statement of "the America of the founders, "One Nation under God..", who sensed deeply that their endeavor would inevitably founder and fail without some outside intervention." is a lie.

 

[zzigzzag]

The Party of indolence, sloth, and perversion.

 

[degsme]

It never ceases to amaze me that when the far far left socialist progressives are confronted with facts, they either deny these facts or refute their sources saying the source was biased or far right, even when there are numerous sources provided from many different points of view.

A source that is biased or far right is not documentation of a FACT so you using sources that are biased is not confronting someone with facts

Calling someone "socialist" or "far left" is not a fact.


FACTS MATTER

Facts are Independently verifiable and complete
Cherry picked data is not a FACT.


Cherry picking facts is not "Truth".

 

[degsme]

Rather than rant, how about some examples of facts that are in dispute. I read nothing here that could not be learned in a bar near a construction site.

He has none. Because all are actually just opinions sourced from biased partisans. And he knows if he presents them they will be eviscerated.

 

[degsme]

I actually should have inserted "federal" before government, as quite a few railroads were either city or state endeavors.

IOW Government ventures.

Many were also private businesses, and not all of those private businesses were failures

NONE were purely private. Because it was impossible for them to gain the land for their Right Of Ways' without use of the exact sort of "emminent domain" condemnation you have decried and derided in Kelo

Just as with Kelo this initially took place at the state and local level. And yet you now hagiographically ignore this.

 

[zzigzzag]

Right along with Mittwit's numbers. Hmmmm....

Must suck to cheer lead for a losing team you don't believe in.

 

[jammer]

American history is not one of the NAZI lefts strongest subjects.

Too bad you on the right can quote them without believing or following a single word of what they say. Your gods are power and money and you use the words of Christ to obtain them through any means possible.

 

[Alinvegas]

That isn't what he was talking about and Lefty knows it. None of you thought of that excuse until after the obungle campaign came out with the lame excuse. You are nothing but a bunch of puppets.
Lefism is killing this country and has already killed other countries. France, Greece, etAl...

 

[jammer]

I know a man who runs a solo business making replicas of 18th century rifles. He is his only employee -- most people would say his business requires no workers.

Oh really TD? He smelts and forges the gun barrels himself? He cuts down the trees and carves the stocks all by himself? He molds and crafts the parts for the guns all by himself? Or does he just assemble guns from parts and pieces made by other people in other factories? So he needs no workers? Do his customers come directly to him for each sell? Does he not advertise in any trade magazines or newspapers? Is his business by word of mouth from former customers?

Sounds to me like he has lots of help in making that "solo business" work.

 

[jammer]

Most of the first America railroads were completely private endeavors. It wasn't a government financed operation until there was a desire for a transcontinental railroad.

TD, you just aren't having much luck picking good examples for "businesses built by one person" are you? American railroads were not private endeavors, even the early ones depended on land grants from the states or federal government. They would still be on the drawing board if not for the steel mills of Pennsylvania and the workers that assembled and made the parts for the first locomotives. Try harder, I'm sure you will come up with a one person company some time in the next few years.

 

[degsme]

I know a man who runs a solo business making replicas of 18th century rifles. He is his only employee -- most people would say his business requires no workers.

But his TAX RETURNS would say differently. Under his TAX RETURNS, he's stupid if he doesn't count himself as an employee and deduct various employment costs associated with that from his taxable income stream

 

[jammer]

n 1867, a group of prominent leaders formed the New York Bridge Company "for the purpose of constructing and maintaining a bridge across the East River." Under the enabling act, the city of Brooklyn (which stood to benefit the most from the bridge) subscribed for $3 million of the capital stock, while the city of New York only subscribed for $1.5 million. The company was permitted to fix toll rates for pedestrians and all types of vehicles, receiving a profit of no more than 15 percent per year.

City acquired the funds through BONDS sold to PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS, which was to be paid back with TOLLS.

BTW: I'm all for city/states building roads. But I'm not going to bow down and worship the federal govt for pretending to build roads, as if that is some kind of miraculous feet.

So MrB, you hate Dwight Eisenhower for having the federal government fund most of the construction of the interstate highway system that crisccrosses our great nation? And here I thought you proclaim yourself an American patriot and yet you hate one of our dearest heroes? Shame on you.

 

[Woolleybugger]

Gibberish. Nothing is achieved without sound government and taxation. There is a reason human history has evolved around institutions formed to lead nations and peoples, it works. The day it stops working is the first day of the next era of government. I find this fixation on destroying or belittling government to be suicidal or even nihilistic. There is only one reason America works, it is because of our government upon which everything else is built, it is the foundation that leads to success or failure. How can a movement that cherishes the foundational document as if it were tablets from God turn around in the next breath and say the very institution this document creates is the bane of the nation? Unbelievable.

 

[jammer]

Fell off the deep end with that one....30 thousand armed drones? Training the military for an armed insurrection?

I think that too many on the right are taking the "THE TURNER DIARIES" as non-fiction.

 

[degsme]

Your delusional. Only way to prosperity is through production/saving,

Producing What? Saving What?

Without government to even CREATE property much less protect property rights, what exactly are you "producing" and "saving"?

 

[LeRoy_Was_Here]

Wackybaccy, the words "One nation under God.." was not in the original pledge, in fact they weren't added until 1954 during the "Red scare" of the '50s. The Founding fathers never even had the pledge as it wasn't written until 1892.

LeRoy: Joe McCarthy was one of the Founding Fathers. What, you didn't know that?!??

 

[worldlymrb]

Gibberish. Nothing is achieved without sound government and taxation. There is a reason human history has evolved around institutions formed to lead nations and peoples, it works. The day it stops working is the first day of the next era of government. I find this fixation on destroying or belittling government to be suicidal or even nihilistic. There is only one reason America works, it is because of our government upon which everything else is built, it is the foundation that leads to success or failure. How can a movement that cherishes the foundational document as if it were tablets from God turn around in the next breath and say the very institution this document creates is the bane of the nation? Unbelievable.

Notice how less and less is always being "achieved" in AmericAA+. The blame can be laid directly at the feet of govt which creates the problems and attempts to profit from the solutions, which go on to create even greater problems.

Govt is evil and corrupt by its very nature - the power to tax is the power to destroy.

When the next financial collapse happens shortly and ushers in the economic collapse, it will be ALL govt's fault...Yet, how many will still run to govt for the solution? INSANITY DEFINED!

 

[KnotaFrayed]

Anyone here have any employees???? How about been an employee????

Why?

If you're an employer, can't you do the work all by your lonesome?
If you were an employee, did someone need your help?